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All well and good -- solid arguments except when you consider things like: Apple's Mac Pro (the big tower) had upgradeable RAM and video, and the newer version

All well and good -- solid arguments except when you consider things like: Apple's Mac Pro (the big tower) had upgradeable RAM and video, and the newer versions (the little black shiny pretty cylinder) were soldered on. That's less about lawsuits and support costs -- it's memory for God's sake and everyone else lets the consumer physically upgrade it, even many laptops. It's about going through the cartel to get the upgrade, which is marked up 3X, 4X. Apple is recent -- anyone remember Sun?

Retric 8y ago
Playing devils advocate. RAM is the #1 cause if computers crashes largely because people think cheap or overclocked RAM is fine. Windows would have a vastly better reputation if it was always paired up with good hardware.
- notahacker 8y ago
  I doubt OSX would run slower if I doubled the RAM in my Macbook Air though, even if the RAM I bought wasn't the best.
  - yayana 8y ago
    This can happen if a cache doesn't support more and turns itself off or into some horrible mode.. But the real fight on stable RAM was over ECC, IBM is the only giant that took an actual stand on insisting on quality at a price. Apple realized they could keep the price.
- simion314 8y ago
  >RAM is the #1 cause if computers crashes Can you source this or is an opinion? I don't have facts by I think drivers are #1 issues for hard crashes.
- FireBeyond 8y ago
  Most RAM in the world is produced by the same three(?) manufacturers. I'm not sure what Mac allows you to overclock RAM either... No. This is the same Apple who one year ago was charging $1200 for 48GB of memory.
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pilsetnieks 8y ago
The trashbin Mac Pro can also be upgraded - RAM, SSD, GPU and even the CPU. The problem is that the SSD and GPU use weird form factors and thus are hard to find and expensive. It's the laptops where everything is soldered on.
- apercu 8y ago
  Not just. I have a 2015 iMac. It was running out of memory so I went to upgrade it. Nope, soldered in. Ended up buying a new computer. Doesn't make me happy.

Retric 8y ago

Playing devils advocate. RAM is the #1 cause if computers crashes largely because people think cheap or overclocked RAM is fine. Windows would have a vastly better reputation if it was always paired up with good hardware.

notahacker 8y ago
I doubt OSX would run slower if I doubled the RAM in my Macbook Air though, even if the RAM I bought wasn't the best.
- yayana 8y ago
  This can happen if a cache doesn't support more and turns itself off or into some horrible mode.. But the real fight on stable RAM was over ECC, IBM is the only giant that took an actual stand on insisting on quality at a price. Apple realized they could keep the price.
simion314 8y ago
>RAM is the #1 cause if computers crashes Can you source this or is an opinion? I don't have facts by I think drivers are #1 issues for hard crashes.
FireBeyond 8y ago
Most RAM in the world is produced by the same three(?) manufacturers. I'm not sure what Mac allows you to overclock RAM either... No. This is the same Apple who one year ago was charging $1200 for 48GB of memory.
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pilsetnieks 8y ago

The trashbin Mac Pro can also be upgraded - RAM, SSD, GPU and even the CPU. The problem is that the SSD and GPU use weird form factors and thus are hard to find and expensive. It's the laptops where everything is soldered on.

apercu 8y ago
Not just. I have a 2015 iMac. It was running out of memory so I went to upgrade it. Nope, soldered in. Ended up buying a new computer. Doesn't make me happy.