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A lot of people seem negative about this. Can someone explain why? Are there any implications I should expect (as a Tesla owner and stockholder)?

mr_overalls 8y ago
See comment above comparing Ellison to an amoral lawnmower. He's a corporate sociopath who focuses completely on squeezing the maximum possible revenue from customers by any means possible. This strategy often takes the form of threatening to sue customers after aggressive software audits. It seldom takes the form of trying to meet the customer's needs via good customer service or quality software.
stevehawk 8y ago
Well, it's sort of weird. He's never really been involved in a company that manufactures, i don't believe. Plus his legacy is that of maximizing licensing fees which isn't really in Tesla's wheelhouse given their history of opening patents. Maybe he's being brought in to fight the right to repair and help lock down Tesla's to maximize some sort of dealer /service model? Or maybe this is some sort of long play to get Tesla stuck on Oracle's platform :-)
- ungamed 8y ago
  Its the beginning of the end.
- deleted 8y ago
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notacoward 8y ago
Part of it is that he has notoriously created a culture of selfishness and even dishonesty at Oracle. I once caught Oracle engineers trying to steal IBM proprietary source code while we were testing on-site at Oracle HQ. I watched them dismiss a unified-cache idea when my small company disclosed it to them under NDA, then add their own (inferior) implementation of the idea as a flagship feature in the next version of Oracle. I saw the many copies of "It is not sufficient for us to win, others must lose also" on Oracle employees' offices. I simply don't trust them, and a company that should have safety as a major goal (but unfortunately already doesn't) is the last place I'd want to see them involved.
DonHopkins 8y ago
They're like the Scientology of databases.
Agathos 8y ago
Seems like more of the same. He'll be a hands-off board member. The board will continue letting Elon do whatever he wants, including the occasional Twitter meltdown.
martythemaniak 8y ago
This is just the weekly Tesla hate thread. You will see this sort of negativity around essentially every Tesla-related news item. It's actually an improvement over the near-daily nature of these threads from earlier this year. To answer your question, this changes nothing. He's been a major shareholder for a long time and now he's 1 out of 11 board members.
- Isinlor 8y ago
  I'm a fan of Tesla. And it's not about Tesla now. It's about Larry Elison and Oracle. Oracle is the definition of evil in IT. Tesla has a lot of fans among IT people. IT people hate Oracle, and with good reasons. Read around here for examples. I hate Oracle too. But I agree, it probably will have little to no impact. Still, just thinking about Larry Elison makes me like Tesla a little bit less. Brr...
- notacoward 8y ago
  > You will see this sort of negativity around essentially every Tesla-related news item. Not really. From the far end of any spectrum, someone in the middle looks like they're on the other side. To anyone else, it looks like there's plenty of Kool-Aid and astroturf all around, and the tone police are usually the worst offenders.

mr_overalls 8y ago

See comment above comparing Ellison to an amoral lawnmower. He's a corporate sociopath who focuses completely on squeezing the maximum possible revenue from customers by any means possible. This strategy often takes the form of threatening to sue customers after aggressive software audits. It seldom takes the form of trying to meet the customer's needs via good customer service or quality software.

stevehawk 8y ago

Well, it's sort of weird. He's never really been involved in a company that manufactures, i don't believe. Plus his legacy is that of maximizing licensing fees which isn't really in Tesla's wheelhouse given their history of opening patents. Maybe he's being brought in to fight the right to repair and help lock down Tesla's to maximize some sort of dealer /service model? Or maybe this is some sort of long play to get Tesla stuck on Oracle's platform :-)

ungamed 8y ago
Its the beginning of the end.
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notacoward 8y ago

Part of it is that he has notoriously created a culture of selfishness and even dishonesty at Oracle. I once caught Oracle engineers trying to steal IBM proprietary source code while we were testing on-site at Oracle HQ. I watched them dismiss a unified-cache idea when my small company disclosed it to them under NDA, then add their own (inferior) implementation of the idea as a flagship feature in the next version of Oracle. I saw the many copies of "It is not sufficient for us to win, others must lose also" on Oracle employees' offices. I simply don't trust them, and a company that should have safety as a major goal (but unfortunately already doesn't) is the last place I'd want to see them involved.

DonHopkins 8y ago

They're like the Scientology of databases.

Agathos 8y ago

Seems like more of the same. He'll be a hands-off board member. The board will continue letting Elon do whatever he wants, including the occasional Twitter meltdown.

martythemaniak 8y ago

This is just the weekly Tesla hate thread. You will see this sort of negativity around essentially every Tesla-related news item. It's actually an improvement over the near-daily nature of these threads from earlier this year. To answer your question, this changes nothing. He's been a major shareholder for a long time and now he's 1 out of 11 board members.

Isinlor 8y ago
I'm a fan of Tesla. And it's not about Tesla now. It's about Larry Elison and Oracle. Oracle is the definition of evil in IT. Tesla has a lot of fans among IT people. IT people hate Oracle, and with good reasons. Read around here for examples. I hate Oracle too. But I agree, it probably will have little to no impact. Still, just thinking about Larry Elison makes me like Tesla a little bit less. Brr...
notacoward 8y ago
> You will see this sort of negativity around essentially every Tesla-related news item. Not really. From the far end of any spectrum, someone in the middle looks like they're on the other side. To anyone else, it looks like there's plenty of Kool-Aid and astroturf all around, and the tone police are usually the worst offenders.