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> Kubernetes exists to solve problems that people using better languages don't generally have This statement doesn't make sense, and the arrogant tone just sti

> Kubernetes exists to solve problems that people using better languages don't generally have This statement doesn't make sense, and the arrogant tone just stinks of ignorance. Kubernetes isn't perfect, but if there's better provider-agnostic language-agnostic way to dynamically scale an application written in heterogeneous languages across a cluster or on a competitive choice of cloud platforms with dynamic provisioning, I'd like you to tell us, and explain why it's better than Kubernetes. Language agnosticism isn't something to discard lightly. Different languages have different strengths and weaknesses.

lmm 8y ago
In my experience the costs of language agnosticism outweigh the benefits even without considering deployment. Good languages are general-purpose; a language that is drastically unsuited to some particular thing is probably not worth using at all, and if you're using a language that is decent at most things then the overhead of switching languages is higher than the benefit of using a language that gives a small advantage in some specialised area.
- barrkel 8y ago
  a language that is drastically unsuited to some particular thing is probably not worth using at all SQL and grep. Prolog and sed. Ruby and Rust. Yacc and Coq. These are not small advantages. They are great yawning chasms of usability and functionality.
- geodel 8y ago
  What language you have in mind? All the languages I have known or used are drastically unsuited for one or other thing. So they all seem not worth using.
  - lmm 8y ago
    I mostly work in Scala these days. But really any ML-family language is fine for everything. Garbage collection is not the barrier to writing system tools or soft realtime that it's reputed to be (the fact that people advocate Go for those use cases is proof of that). (The JVM startup can be a bit slow for scripting one-liners, particularly if you're running them on every file in a directory or some such. There was a time when I would switch to Python or Bash for those, but I realized I was wasting more time making mistakes in those languages than I ever saved at runtime)

lmm 8y ago

In my experience the costs of language agnosticism outweigh the benefits even without considering deployment. Good languages are general-purpose; a language that is drastically unsuited to some particular thing is probably not worth using at all, and if you're using a language that is decent at most things then the overhead of switching languages is higher than the benefit of using a language that gives a small advantage in some specialised area.

barrkel 8y ago
a language that is drastically unsuited to some particular thing is probably not worth using at all SQL and grep. Prolog and sed. Ruby and Rust. Yacc and Coq. These are not small advantages. They are great yawning chasms of usability and functionality.
geodel 8y ago
What language you have in mind? All the languages I have known or used are drastically unsuited for one or other thing. So they all seem not worth using.
- lmm 8y ago
  I mostly work in Scala these days. But really any ML-family language is fine for everything. Garbage collection is not the barrier to writing system tools or soft realtime that it's reputed to be (the fact that people advocate Go for those use cases is proof of that). (The JVM startup can be a bit slow for scripting one-liners, particularly if you're running them on every file in a directory or some such. There was a time when I would switch to Python or Bash for those, but I realized I was wasting more time making mistakes in those languages than I ever saved at runtime)