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Ignoring whether this is a great engineering accomplishment or not: > In addition, the big data cloud that is created as the result of the information collecte

Ignoring whether this is a great engineering accomplishment or not: > In addition, the big data cloud that is created as the result of the information collected from the ORA app, the ORA shopping site and the Tmall e-shop opens the way to the development of multiple scenarios for offline sales I don't see that much discussion about this trend, but I consider it a threat to security as well as just plain bad UX. All these UX gimmicks and "features" I already loathe in web apps, I really don't want them in my car. Pay to unlock, tracking, remote control, AI. Sure, it's comfort, but what is the price? At this point I prefer a 90's car where you just turn the key and it works or don't. Is this just "get-off-my-lawn" thinking?

Traster 8y ago
I think one trend we've seen emerging in markets everywhere is that despite competition in the market there isn't significant differentiation. So you'd think great, we've got this tech and I'll go with the company where I pay a little more and don't have to give up all my privacy. But instead what we end up with is 90% of companies bundling in all the privacy invasion stuff (because they like the new revenue stream or the share holders demand they follow the trend or they simply can't make the margin on the product) and then 10% of companies go right to the top end, and whilst you get your privacy you're also paying for massively premium products. I see this in the smart home devices - you can trust NONE of them, with the exception of a tiny minority like Apple who also then charge a fortune extra because they're trying to sell a premium product for other reasons. So in the end you're not overwhelmed by choice, you're railroaded.
thatoneuser 8y ago
Nah I don’t think this is get off my lawn. “Features” have become the modern version of the next big thing, and humans are drawn to them like moths to a flame. In the rush we’ve given up a lot of personal rights to corporations without second thought. This isn’t like the invention of cars where people irrationally wanted to cling to a simpler way of life. This has been a tremendous paradigm shift for the autonomy and liberty of our citizens. And as we see China implementing a dystopian social credit system, we really ought to be considering what traps were setting for our future selves. Oh you didn’t pay off your Facebook credit card on time? Guess we’ll deactivate your car and drive it back to the factory until you sort that out. Hm looks like you like to go to some sketchy businesses that we don’t really think you should be going to? Ok we’re going to block off areas of the city where you’re permitted to drive to - trust us, it’s for your own good. If we had that mythical “benevolent government” then sure this shouldn’t be an issue. But in this country you can literally be chilling in your apartment playing video games (or just chilling...) and get raided/murdered by police who are following a random SWAT call. I don’t trust my primary mode of escape to be locked down by the government. And no one should.

Traster 8y ago

I think one trend we've seen emerging in markets everywhere is that despite competition in the market there isn't significant differentiation. So you'd think great, we've got this tech and I'll go with the company where I pay a little more and don't have to give up all my privacy. But instead what we end up with is 90% of companies bundling in all the privacy invasion stuff (because they like the new revenue stream or the share holders demand they follow the trend or they simply can't make the margin on the product) and then 10% of companies go right to the top end, and whilst you get your privacy you're also paying for massively premium products. I see this in the smart home devices - you can trust NONE of them, with the exception of a tiny minority like Apple who also then charge a fortune extra because they're trying to sell a premium product for other reasons. So in the end you're not overwhelmed by choice, you're railroaded.

thatoneuser 8y ago

Nah I don’t think this is get off my lawn. “Features” have become the modern version of the next big thing, and humans are drawn to them like moths to a flame. In the rush we’ve given up a lot of personal rights to corporations without second thought. This isn’t like the invention of cars where people irrationally wanted to cling to a simpler way of life. This has been a tremendous paradigm shift for the autonomy and liberty of our citizens. And as we see China implementing a dystopian social credit system, we really ought to be considering what traps were setting for our future selves. Oh you didn’t pay off your Facebook credit card on time? Guess we’ll deactivate your car and drive it back to the factory until you sort that out. Hm looks like you like to go to some sketchy businesses that we don’t really think you should be going to? Ok we’re going to block off areas of the city where you’re permitted to drive to - trust us, it’s for your own good. If we had that mythical “benevolent government” then sure this shouldn’t be an issue. But in this country you can literally be chilling in your apartment playing video games (or just chilling...) and get raided/murdered by police who are following a random SWAT call. I don’t trust my primary mode of escape to be locked down by the government. And no one should.