> That might be true if you live in a cave but when you are working on a team of 6-8 people with a team lead then basically none of that is true Yes, I agree i

> That might be true if you live in a cave but when you are working on a team of 6-8 people with a team lead then basically none of that is true Yes, I agree if you have an established team and there is a strict hierarchical development cycle/roles then rules will be enforced. But how about other team dynamics or lone developers that push their code into the world. How many js libraries import explicitly or implicitly an addition library (too many to count on top of my head but not enough to bother writing a script for you to show). There is a lot of bad code out there that were created by bad untrained tech managers and lone coding wolves because some standards have not yet been refined yet or agreed upon(standards like ssl, aes encryption). > liberal agenda? You lost me there? And maybe I lost myself as well > Uncle Bob When I said Bryan, i misspoke and was refering to Uncle Bob. But do you agree with self-imposed or external? They lead down very different paths