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A lot of people here are only considering whether what she says is true or not. I do not think it's necessarily so black and white. Let me explain. One one sid
by jules 16y ago
A lot of people here are only considering whether what she says is true or not. I do not think it's necessarily so black and white. Let me explain.
One one side, there is the possibility that he came to her out of the blue, tried to kiss her, and put his hands in her pants. One the other side, there is the possibility that she is consciously lying about all this (the people arguing that this is a possibility mention previous cases of false accusations).
Now, there are three very important things to consider: alcohol, communication and memory.
About memory: Memory is not as robust as people think it is, I learned this many years ago. When I was a small kid my dad accused me of destroying some plants he was growing indoors. At first I said "no I didn't do it", but then he explained that that could not be the case because I was the only one who likes to pick leaves off plants (which was true). I still persisted that I didn't do it.
The next day however, I remembered quite clearly that I was picking the leaves off his plants. So I apologized. And he planted new plants. These new plants got destroyed too, and we discovered that it was the work of mice. Telling the difference between a real memory and a memory of a dream is very hard.
So what happened to me was that I remembered something that (1) was completely the opposite of what actually happened (2) it was a memory that portrayed myself in a negative light, and the mind usually tries to remember things so that they show yourself in a positive light. So it seems very unlikely to me that such a completely fake memory could enter my mind. Yet it did.
I can definitely imagine that a memory was altered from "he touched me on my clothes" to "he tried to put his hand in my pants". Especially if you're upset about what happened, and then dream about it. Or perhaps she wasn't as clear about telling him to go away as she remembers. Note that I'm not saying that I believe that this is what happened. I am merely saying that it is a possibility that memory wasn't 100% accurate.
About communication: It is possible that she flirted with him (she even mentions that she flirted with guys in the post), and he thought that she was attracted to him.
Alcohol: obviously some things happen when people are drunk that wouldn't have happened when they're not. And it doesn't improve memory either.
So in addition to the stories:
(1) He came to her out of the blue, tried to kiss her, and put his hands in her pants.
And:
(2) She is consciously lying about all this.
This is also a possibility: A girl flirted with a guy. Later that evening, after a few too many beers, the guy went to the girl and tried to kiss her. She pushed him away, but then he put his hands on her hips at the edge of her pants.
For that matter, everything between (1) and (2) is possible. So please do not just consider "Guilty" vs "Consciously lying" as the only possibilities.