> I think people underestimate how complex these things are when they are learning C++, and how complex their interactions are. Then there’s the preprocessor.

> I think people underestimate how complex these things are when they are learning C++, and how complex their interactions are. Then there’s the preprocessor. And then there is arcane stuff like this: * https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/eval_order https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/eval_order * https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/copy_elision https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/copy_elision That does make the language feel very complex even without the whole templates depth.