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The Chinese are formalizing it and adding the system to places that haven't been too political in the past, but the west has its own unwritten social credit sys

The Chinese are formalizing it and adding the system to places that haven't been too political in the past, but the west has its own unwritten social credit system and if you don't figure it out and kowtow to it then you're secretly penalized. e.g. Cross an insecure manager or exec in your company by saying something that's true and better for the company, you'll get dingined without knowing it. Focus solely on learning at school and not enough on figuring out the game too, there again you're going against the system.

lsd5you 8y ago
Really? This doesn't stand up as a comparison. In so far as there are shitty unwarranted consequences for unwanted actions in the west it is similar, but that is human nature (and possibly even wider than that). The difference is that china is implementing a centralised, state controlled system. Which will elevate the minor tyranny of some obnoxious policy in some organisation to an unchecked and magnified universal tyranny. This is precisely why we need checks, balances and distribution of power, because the elite minority cannot be trusted.
- org3432 8y ago
  On the good end of the policy they're trying to correct "human nature", so the western approach is basically c'est la vie humans are terrible. I don't agree with the Chinese system either, but I don't see a good look in the mirror being a bad thing here either as that there are very real world consequences in the west penalizing doing the right thing.
ribs 8y ago
You’re comparing a) word of mouth that might spread across parts of a company, maybe a little further, impacting you when you apply for a job, to b) a nationwide, government-run system that will be involved in a wide variety of life situations. A) and b) are of wildly different scope, formality, import.
- zandl 8y ago
  If you’re black for example, you’re treated like you have a low score, yet you can’t do anything about it.
SamuelAdams 8y ago
>Cross an insecure manager or exec in your company by saying something that's true and better for the company, you'll get dingined without knowing it. This is a bad example. This is an at-will (in most cases) relationship with your employer. The social credit system is a relationship with the government, and the services it provides. Because the two are different, the social credit system should not be dinged because of whistleblowing a private company / badmouthing a manager. It would make sense if you are working for the government, however.

lsd5you 8y ago

Really? This doesn't stand up as a comparison. In so far as there are shitty unwarranted consequences for unwanted actions in the west it is similar, but that is human nature (and possibly even wider than that). The difference is that china is implementing a centralised, state controlled system. Which will elevate the minor tyranny of some obnoxious policy in some organisation to an unchecked and magnified universal tyranny. This is precisely why we need checks, balances and distribution of power, because the elite minority cannot be trusted.

org3432 8y ago
On the good end of the policy they're trying to correct "human nature", so the western approach is basically c'est la vie humans are terrible. I don't agree with the Chinese system either, but I don't see a good look in the mirror being a bad thing here either as that there are very real world consequences in the west penalizing doing the right thing.

ribs 8y ago

You’re comparing a) word of mouth that might spread across parts of a company, maybe a little further, impacting you when you apply for a job, to b) a nationwide, government-run system that will be involved in a wide variety of life situations. A) and b) are of wildly different scope, formality, import.

zandl 8y ago
If you’re black for example, you’re treated like you have a low score, yet you can’t do anything about it.

SamuelAdams 8y ago

>Cross an insecure manager or exec in your company by saying something that's true and better for the company, you'll get dingined without knowing it. This is a bad example. This is an at-will (in most cases) relationship with your employer. The social credit system is a relationship with the government, and the services it provides. Because the two are different, the social credit system should not be dinged because of whistleblowing a private company / badmouthing a manager. It would make sense if you are working for the government, however.