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Still, seeing white people living in such a bad conditions is striking. Please don't take out of context my comment, it's just what I think. I am brown by the

Still, seeing white people living in such a bad conditions is striking. Please don't take out of context my comment, it's just what I think. I am brown by the way.

forkandwait 8y ago
Poverty is a class issue, not a race issue. Sometimes they are correlated (US cities, all of the US southeast), sometimes not (west Virginia, rural everywhere EXCEPT the southeast, everything Irish - - you can't get whiter than Irish)
- beat 8y ago
  Poverty is a class issue. Class is a race issue. Poverty is not a race issue. And something has gone wrong with this argument.
  - ionised 8y ago
    How is class a race issue in somewhere like Scotland?
- arethuza 8y ago
  "you can't get whiter than Irish" Sectarianism was a pretty dreadful problem in Glasgow (and to a lesser extent the other cities in the Central belt of Scotland) - it still exists although not nearly as bad as it used to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_in_Glasgow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_in_Glasgow
  - forkandwait 8y ago
    My (poorly articulated) point is that all the non-class markers we use to oppress people - whether skin color, religion, accent, clothing style, music preferences, etc - just disguise class oppression. In the USA, I think we emphasize color in order to avoid the hard truth that society was created so that a few could fuck the many. And I meant "white" literally, to point out the absurdity that poverty is a function of skin color as opposed to deep class organization. If light skin color is what made one rich and powerful, then Catholic Irish would be at the top. But...
    - Gibbon1 8y ago
      I agree with that, recently read a rant about how liberals have fallen into the trap of seeing oppression as caused by discrimination based on skin color, instead of of oppression as a power class thing. And think if only some of the feet in the boot were brown that'll be fair. Does it help a man of color if the foot in the boot is sometimes brown? I think not a boot is a boot.

Still, seeing white people living in such a bad conditions is striking. Please don't take out of context my comment, it's just what I think. I am brown by the way.

forkandwait 8y ago

Poverty is a class issue, not a race issue. Sometimes they are correlated (US cities, all of the US southeast), sometimes not (west Virginia, rural everywhere EXCEPT the southeast, everything Irish - - you can't get whiter than Irish)

beat 8y ago
Poverty is a class issue. Class is a race issue. Poverty is not a race issue. And something has gone wrong with this argument.
- ionised 8y ago
  How is class a race issue in somewhere like Scotland?
arethuza 8y ago
"you can't get whiter than Irish" Sectarianism was a pretty dreadful problem in Glasgow (and to a lesser extent the other cities in the Central belt of Scotland) - it still exists although not nearly as bad as it used to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_in_Glasgow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_in_Glasgow
- forkandwait 8y ago
  My (poorly articulated) point is that all the non-class markers we use to oppress people - whether skin color, religion, accent, clothing style, music preferences, etc - just disguise class oppression. In the USA, I think we emphasize color in order to avoid the hard truth that society was created so that a few could fuck the many. And I meant "white" literally, to point out the absurdity that poverty is a function of skin color as opposed to deep class organization. If light skin color is what made one rich and powerful, then Catholic Irish would be at the top. But...
  - Gibbon1 8y ago
    I agree with that, recently read a rant about how liberals have fallen into the trap of seeing oppression as caused by discrimination based on skin color, instead of of oppression as a power class thing. And think if only some of the feet in the boot were brown that'll be fair. Does it help a man of color if the foot in the boot is sometimes brown? I think not a boot is a boot.