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Hm but it depends whether there is a victim involved or not IMHO

by sc4les 8y ago

coldtea 8y ago
Sure, but one can say that for eating burgers too.
- moate 8y ago
  Yes, and lots of people do.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    And even more don't. Like 5 to 1 more...
    - Barrin92 8y ago
      many people mindlessly throw plastic into the ocean, do drugs, are obese or in some other way show callous disregard for their own health or the health of the ecosystem they live in, what's the point?
- hjek 8y ago
  Exactly (if the burger is made of animal flesh, that is; but fortunately there are many other ways of making burgers).
  - coldtea 8y ago
    Yeah, just not real or tasty ones.
    - hjek 8y ago
      I'm cooking and eating burgers often, and they smell and taste quite real (as opposed to imaginary burgers made out of air). Have you yourself tried a non-flesh burger, and did you genuinely find it bad? Was it from a shop or a cafe or was it homemade? Or do you have a dogmatic belief that there has to be real suffering and murder for a burger to be real?
      - zucan 8y ago
        It appears to be an issue with expectations for some people (including me). "Burger" is associated with a certain flavor, texture and appearance, so when I eat a veggie burger my subconsciousness is disappointed because it's too different. The veggie burger becomes a worse version of a regular burger rather than an independent dish. This is the main reason why I dislike so many "vegetarian alternative" dishes on our kitchen's menu like chili sin carne, while some "standalone" vegetarian dishes are among my favorites like pasta with spinach, tomato and feta in cream sauce. I hope artificial meat will be introduced as a 'luxury' product and replace mass-produced fast food ground beef after it is well established as a genuine alternative and not some inferior knock-off like artificial cheese.
        hjek 8y ago
        > The veggie burger becomes a worse version of a regular burger rather than an independent dish. I can understand why some people can be put off by the taste. Having previously eaten non-human animals, I can say that I prefer the taste of veggie burgers and sausages, although most vegan cheese tastes absolutely disgusting (especially the ones pretending to be parmesan). But I really, really wish that more of us would be willing to accept a reduction in the tastiness of certain dishes to help prevent antibiotics resistance, non-human animal suffering, climate breakdown, dead zones and starvation. And other times I really can't tell the difference, and to be honest it kind of scares me. Some brands go so far as to make the minced "meat" look red and bloody[0]. Then, I have to take someone's word that this thing that really looks like a shrimp and is all crunchy really isn't a shrimp[1]. It's like a whole new art form. [0]: https://www.naturli-foods.dk/produkter/aertefars/ https://www.naturli-foods.dk/produkter/aertefars/ [1]: http://vegetarian-plus.com/product/vegan-shrimp/ http://vegetarian-plus.com/product/vegan-shrimp/ (Note: The ones I tried looked more convincing)
      - danw1979 8y ago
        I absolutely love this one particular brand (Linda McCartney) of mozzarella-riddled vegetarian burger they sell in the UK. I'm a lifelong meat eater, past redemption really, but my wife is vegetarian and introduced me to them. I would rather eat these textured soya protein burgers than even the best beef burger I've ever had. They are that good. Also, upvoted because a difference of opinion isn't what down voting is for, surely ?

Hm but it depends whether there is a victim involved or not IMHO

by sc4les 8y ago

Hm but it depends whether there is a victim involved or not IMHO

coldtea 8y ago

Sure, but one can say that for eating burgers too.

moate 8y ago
Yes, and lots of people do.
- coldtea 8y ago
  And even more don't. Like 5 to 1 more...
  - Barrin92 8y ago
    many people mindlessly throw plastic into the ocean, do drugs, are obese or in some other way show callous disregard for their own health or the health of the ecosystem they live in, what's the point?
hjek 8y ago
Exactly (if the burger is made of animal flesh, that is; but fortunately there are many other ways of making burgers).
- coldtea 8y ago
  Yeah, just not real or tasty ones.
  - hjek 8y ago
    I'm cooking and eating burgers often, and they smell and taste quite real (as opposed to imaginary burgers made out of air). Have you yourself tried a non-flesh burger, and did you genuinely find it bad? Was it from a shop or a cafe or was it homemade? Or do you have a dogmatic belief that there has to be real suffering and murder for a burger to be real?
    - zucan 8y ago
      It appears to be an issue with expectations for some people (including me). "Burger" is associated with a certain flavor, texture and appearance, so when I eat a veggie burger my subconsciousness is disappointed because it's too different. The veggie burger becomes a worse version of a regular burger rather than an independent dish. This is the main reason why I dislike so many "vegetarian alternative" dishes on our kitchen's menu like chili sin carne, while some "standalone" vegetarian dishes are among my favorites like pasta with spinach, tomato and feta in cream sauce. I hope artificial meat will be introduced as a 'luxury' product and replace mass-produced fast food ground beef after it is well established as a genuine alternative and not some inferior knock-off like artificial cheese.
      - hjek 8y ago
        > The veggie burger becomes a worse version of a regular burger rather than an independent dish. I can understand why some people can be put off by the taste. Having previously eaten non-human animals, I can say that I prefer the taste of veggie burgers and sausages, although most vegan cheese tastes absolutely disgusting (especially the ones pretending to be parmesan). But I really, really wish that more of us would be willing to accept a reduction in the tastiness of certain dishes to help prevent antibiotics resistance, non-human animal suffering, climate breakdown, dead zones and starvation. And other times I really can't tell the difference, and to be honest it kind of scares me. Some brands go so far as to make the minced "meat" look red and bloody[0]. Then, I have to take someone's word that this thing that really looks like a shrimp and is all crunchy really isn't a shrimp[1]. It's like a whole new art form. [0]: https://www.naturli-foods.dk/produkter/aertefars/ https://www.naturli-foods.dk/produkter/aertefars/ [1]: http://vegetarian-plus.com/product/vegan-shrimp/ http://vegetarian-plus.com/product/vegan-shrimp/ (Note: The ones I tried looked more convincing)
    - danw1979 8y ago
      I absolutely love this one particular brand (Linda McCartney) of mozzarella-riddled vegetarian burger they sell in the UK. I'm a lifelong meat eater, past redemption really, but my wife is vegetarian and introduced me to them. I would rather eat these textured soya protein burgers than even the best beef burger I've ever had. They are that good. Also, upvoted because a difference of opinion isn't what down voting is for, surely ?