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Can’t say I’m massively surprised a mainstream metal band behaves like a business. Shame they come across like a bunch of jerks.

whatshisface 8y ago
It's depressing that ignoring the copyrights of everyone smaller than you while aggressively defending your own is considered behaving in any way "like a business."
- gaius 8y ago
  Metallica really started the ball rolling on this one, they made their breakthrough via the underground bootleg scene and now, apart maybe from U2, they are the most corporate band in the world.
  - nraynaud 8y ago
    > Ulrich announced that Metallica had spent the last year “trying to apply Salesforce products into everything that Metallica does.” https://qz.com/1500717/what-is-salesforce-four-days-170000-people-and-one-metallica-concert-later-i-figured-out-what-salesforce-is/ https://qz.com/1500717/what-is-salesforce-four-days-170000-p... External confirmation.
  - Raffers 8y ago
    I'd say more so than u2, I don't think any of u2 have gone to crm conferences to talk about user engagement and lead-to-sale generation.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    " apart maybe from U2, they are the most corporate band in the world." Wouldn't the Rolling Stones be a worthy contender for that title?
    - gaius 8y ago
      And Coldplay as well, now that you mention it
devonkim 8y ago
A lot of fans that were around years ago during the transition away from Carcass are aware of their behavior and even Angela Gossow (former vocalist) has basically admitted in interviews that they sold out (they weren’t ever really an underground band though... so you’re more like a commercial pop group, uhh) to make a living. To me, there’s nothing wrong with being up-front that it’s about the money and if you’re enjoying the music so be it but nobody into metal is surprised by this kind of behavior by bands doing the same money grubbing things that bands making orders of magnitude more money are doing. I think that’s the most shameful part of it all honestly - if you wanted to make money playing music there’s way more options than metal. Heck, the former keyboard player for Emperor quit metal completely, cut his hair, and did fine in Norway with dance music as a solo artist. I think the guys in Beherit literally went to dance music too.
- CuriouslyC 8y ago
  Meh, if you are making enough to get by, doing what you love is way more important than having a lot of money. Ihsahn might rock sweaters and short hair now, but he is still making some really dark metal.
- raverbashing 8y ago
  I can't blame them. Being an even mildly popular band is probably a gigantic annoyance. I can't even imagine how hard it is to be "famous". You basically have no weekends, not much free time, touring is hard, especially on bus. A lot of nights in hotels (in which you checkin one days and checks out in the next day). A lot of airports. You probably can't have a quiet mean in a restaurant without getting people wanting to talk to you (if you're lucky, if you're not then it's fanzillas and crowds). But of course fame is a drug.

whatshisface 8y ago

It's depressing that ignoring the copyrights of everyone smaller than you while aggressively defending your own is considered behaving in any way "like a business."

gaius 8y ago
Metallica really started the ball rolling on this one, they made their breakthrough via the underground bootleg scene and now, apart maybe from U2, they are the most corporate band in the world.
- nraynaud 8y ago
  > Ulrich announced that Metallica had spent the last year “trying to apply Salesforce products into everything that Metallica does.” https://qz.com/1500717/what-is-salesforce-four-days-170000-people-and-one-metallica-concert-later-i-figured-out-what-salesforce-is/ https://qz.com/1500717/what-is-salesforce-four-days-170000-p... External confirmation.
- Raffers 8y ago
  I'd say more so than u2, I don't think any of u2 have gone to crm conferences to talk about user engagement and lead-to-sale generation.
- maxxxxx 8y ago
  " apart maybe from U2, they are the most corporate band in the world." Wouldn't the Rolling Stones be a worthy contender for that title?
  - gaius 8y ago
    And Coldplay as well, now that you mention it

devonkim 8y ago

A lot of fans that were around years ago during the transition away from Carcass are aware of their behavior and even Angela Gossow (former vocalist) has basically admitted in interviews that they sold out (they weren’t ever really an underground band though... so you’re more like a commercial pop group, uhh) to make a living. To me, there’s nothing wrong with being up-front that it’s about the money and if you’re enjoying the music so be it but nobody into metal is surprised by this kind of behavior by bands doing the same money grubbing things that bands making orders of magnitude more money are doing. I think that’s the most shameful part of it all honestly - if you wanted to make money playing music there’s way more options than metal. Heck, the former keyboard player for Emperor quit metal completely, cut his hair, and did fine in Norway with dance music as a solo artist. I think the guys in Beherit literally went to dance music too.

CuriouslyC 8y ago
Meh, if you are making enough to get by, doing what you love is way more important than having a lot of money. Ihsahn might rock sweaters and short hair now, but he is still making some really dark metal.
raverbashing 8y ago
I can't blame them. Being an even mildly popular band is probably a gigantic annoyance. I can't even imagine how hard it is to be "famous". You basically have no weekends, not much free time, touring is hard, especially on bus. A lot of nights in hotels (in which you checkin one days and checks out in the next day). A lot of airports. You probably can't have a quiet mean in a restaurant without getting people wanting to talk to you (if you're lucky, if you're not then it's fanzillas and crowds). But of course fame is a drug.