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safer/exploitable by whom ? Because if you are named Google, for instance you have a very big safety to know pretty anything from anyone thanks to your spy net

by xte 8y ago

safer/exploitable by whom ? Because if you are named Google, for instance you have a very big safety to know pretty anything from anyone thanks to your spy network everybody use, want to use, buy from you, more and more. However if you are a "typical citizen" well... You have less and less choices, for instance you want a classic mobile phone? Good luck to find one. And even if you find it did it still can operate? In many developed country we start talking about cutting GSM/2G network leaving only 3G backups and invest in 4G massively... Do you want a car that you and only you can control? Hum... Ok... You have few options: buy a history car (feasible if we do not need to move too much until we close gas stations transforming them to recharge stations) or create one from scratch and good luck not only for the technical part but also for the needed bureaucracy to get them legally usable on roads. That's the problem. Today dictators does not need strong power anymore: why forbid traditional non-connected, non-autonomous cars? You simply stop to produce them. With actual centralization is super easy. We are NOT in a free market capitalistic society, we are in a kind of planned economy not much different than Soviet Union's one, only instead of a formal dictatorial government, with clear powers and symbols, we have a vague corporatocracy without symbols and formally "constrained" by some kind of "democratic laws". And that's is even worse than classic dictatorship because with them you know your enemy, now you can't really know it and you can't fight an enemy you do not really know nor see.

icebraining 8y ago
for instance you want a classic mobile phone? Good luck to find one. It would take me a 15m walk and $20 to get a basic dumbphone right now. Where do you live that these are hard to find? Or do by "classic", do you mean old? But if so, what's the advantage? But the classic phones are exactly those that run a closed OS and only support protocols (SMS and phone calls) that can be spied upon by the ISP. If you don't trust Google and Apple, why would you trust a classic phone? Do you want a car that you and only you can control? Hum... Ok... You have few options: buy a history car (...) or create one from scratch Infotainment systems have been becoming too invasive, yes, but you still have options. For example, the Nissan Micra comes with a FM/AM radio with MP3 support. No GPS, mobile data, etc.
- xte 8y ago
  > Where do you live that these are hard to find? I live in south France, and I have zero idea where to find something like a Nokia 3310... Now, and not for now, I only see smartphones of various (crappy) kind or phone for old people that mimic classic phone but with a crappiness of '90s-style dot-com era business software... Of course 3310 was proprietary but simple enough to have fable means for spying me and the level of centralization is far, far less than now. Banally yes, my carrier can spy on me. But only my carrier, not a super-giant multinational data-mining company. And my carrier is subject of my country's law I know a bit about so I have a certain protection. With Android&c devices there are tons of different subjects that can spy on me from any country of the world. I have essentially ZERO protection. And modern devices can do far more than mere audio recording at carrier level... > Infotainment systems have been becoming too invasive Oh but I do not really care about infotainment I do care about being unable to switch ABS off when on snow so to have chances to brake the car under my own control, I do care about the ability to switch on the engine without any possible software crash interference (a friend of mine remain locked inside it's top-of-the-line Audi because of a software fault, for instance). I do care about NOT having the ability of power on my car via a smartphone witch means having a remote control device that connect my car with it's vendor and me via internet, all on proprietary software I do not know nor control. I can't really use a Nissan Micra, I normally use a car for 30-60Km to 300+Km trips, not distances nor environments to be done with a citycar... And even on simplest citycars: a friend of mine few days ago ask me if I can help because he left light on and shes car's battery is drained. I came, it was evening with not good light and it's raining. I see a big red plate aside a pole of the battery and a black cable on the opposite pole. My cable nipper start sparking fire suddenly when I connect what I'm thinking it was the + pole... With sound imprecations I grab a headlight and see: TWO damn battery poles are without a fucing +/- sign, TWO have black big cables and the damn big red plate have a rigid connection UNDER the plate, black painted as the battery, that attach it to the farthermost* pole. I do not know how an mechanical engineer can be so dumb to design such a thing.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    I live in south France, and I have zero idea where to find something like a Nokia 3310... 20€ with free shipping: https://www.boulanger.com/c/telephone-portable-sans-abonnement/brand~nokia https://www.boulanger.com/c/telephone-portable-sans-abonneme... And this year they even released a model with 4G support, reducing the fear of network support shutdown. Regarding cars, fair enough, I don't even drive, so I don't have a good knowledge of what's available. I do doubt you'll find any car built in the last 30 years without any software, but if it's running fully locally, I don't see how it's that different from any other custom part. If the locks in your friend's car used a simple electrical system, and it broke, he would have been just as stuck. I talked about infotainment because they often come with Internet connection and such, which is different than just replacing parts with software, but as far as I know, you can still find many models without it.

by xte 8y ago

icebraining 8y ago

for instance you want a classic mobile phone? Good luck to find one. It would take me a 15m walk and $20 to get a basic dumbphone right now. Where do you live that these are hard to find? Or do by "classic", do you mean old? But if so, what's the advantage? But the classic phones are exactly those that run a closed OS and only support protocols (SMS and phone calls) that can be spied upon by the ISP. If you don't trust Google and Apple, why would you trust a classic phone? Do you want a car that you and only you can control? Hum... Ok... You have few options: buy a history car (...) or create one from scratch Infotainment systems have been becoming too invasive, yes, but you still have options. For example, the Nissan Micra comes with a FM/AM radio with MP3 support. No GPS, mobile data, etc.

xte 8y ago
> Where do you live that these are hard to find? I live in south France, and I have zero idea where to find something like a Nokia 3310... Now, and not for now, I only see smartphones of various (crappy) kind or phone for old people that mimic classic phone but with a crappiness of '90s-style dot-com era business software... Of course 3310 was proprietary but simple enough to have fable means for spying me and the level of centralization is far, far less than now. Banally yes, my carrier can spy on me. But only my carrier, not a super-giant multinational data-mining company. And my carrier is subject of my country's law I know a bit about so I have a certain protection. With Android&c devices there are tons of different subjects that can spy on me from any country of the world. I have essentially ZERO protection. And modern devices can do far more than mere audio recording at carrier level... > Infotainment systems have been becoming too invasive Oh but I do not really care about infotainment I do care about being unable to switch ABS off when on snow so to have chances to brake the car under my own control, I do care about the ability to switch on the engine without any possible software crash interference (a friend of mine remain locked inside it's top-of-the-line Audi because of a software fault, for instance). I do care about NOT having the ability of power on my car via a smartphone witch means having a remote control device that connect my car with it's vendor and me via internet, all on proprietary software I do not know nor control. I can't really use a Nissan Micra, I normally use a car for 30-60Km to 300+Km trips, not distances nor environments to be done with a citycar... And even on simplest citycars: a friend of mine few days ago ask me if I can help because he left light on and shes car's battery is drained. I came, it was evening with not good light and it's raining. I see a big red plate aside a pole of the battery and a black cable on the opposite pole. My cable nipper start sparking fire suddenly when I connect what I'm thinking it was the + pole... With sound imprecations I grab a headlight and see: TWO damn battery poles are without a fucing +/- sign, TWO have black big cables and the damn big red plate have a rigid connection UNDER the plate, black painted as the battery, that attach it to the farthermost* pole. I do not know how an mechanical engineer can be so dumb to design such a thing.
- icebraining 8y ago
  I live in south France, and I have zero idea where to find something like a Nokia 3310... 20€ with free shipping: https://www.boulanger.com/c/telephone-portable-sans-abonnement/brand~nokia https://www.boulanger.com/c/telephone-portable-sans-abonneme... And this year they even released a model with 4G support, reducing the fear of network support shutdown. Regarding cars, fair enough, I don't even drive, so I don't have a good knowledge of what's available. I do doubt you'll find any car built in the last 30 years without any software, but if it's running fully locally, I don't see how it's that different from any other custom part. If the locks in your friend's car used a simple electrical system, and it broke, he would have been just as stuck. I talked about infotainment because they often come with Internet connection and such, which is different than just replacing parts with software, but as far as I know, you can still find many models without it.