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I used to be a happy x201 user 11 years ago, but nowadays can’t see any good reason to prefer it over a good Macbook Pro (2015?). It’s now more hacky to remove

I used to be a happy x201 user 11 years ago, but nowadays can’t see any good reason to prefer it over a good Macbook Pro (2015?). It’s now more hacky to remove Windows and install Linux in a Thinkpad, compared to setting up a dual boot Arch + OSX system in a Macbook Pro.

cyrusmg 8y ago
MacbookPro 2016 and newer is far from fully supported in Linux and MBP2015 is huge compared to 2016. https://github.com/dunedan/mbp-2016-linux https://github.com/dunedan/mbp-2016-linux
- roadbeats 8y ago
  Yes, even new Macbook keyboard is not compatible. That’s why I referred to 2015 and older.
  - StudentStuff 8y ago
    So you end up with an overpriced used Macbook Pro 2015 (looking at eBay) that is comparable to a Thinkpad T440 or W540? Why would anyone pay 3x to 4x for a device that is a PITA to get most common Linux distros onto, and is challenging to repair? I don't see the value provided, even comparing weight and dimensions...
    - slow_donkey 8y ago
      I have a t440, the weight of the mbp is not comparable. It's more like a carbon and there's huge advantage to being able to move easily without a heavy laptop.
      - StudentStuff 8y ago
        Note that OP was referring to a 2015 MBP, before they seriously thinned the laptop.
    - roadbeats 8y ago
      I got both for free from my office. I could choose any laptop I want basically, and yes, I do prefer Macbook Pro over Thinkpad.
yrro 8y ago
Happy Toshiba X30/X40 user here. If you're ever looking for something else to run Linux on, I can recommend them (at least in their current incarnations). Even the bluetooth works out of the box!
halfastack 8y ago
I upgraded from MBP 2012 to the 15" 2015 version the last year. I'm sure 2k15 will be fine for a while, but this is unsustainable with the direction Apple computers are going. It's more expensive than ever; in Europe, I paid 2300 USD for the baseline 2k15 15" MBP; that's just crazy to me, and the baseline newest 15" MBP model goes for 3000 USD. Also, their anti-consumer practices, such as simply selling keyboards they know will break (and that are also bad! I thought the 2k15 keyboard was already bad compared to the 2k12 non-retina MBP), and not repairing anything in their MBP (check Louis Rossmann's Apple videos), are just a signal for me that the MBPs are not for power users. At work, I use the X1 Carbon 6th gen with Linux on it, and though I really like OSX, the hardware is starting to be nothing but farce. For that, I think I'll happily buy some Lenovo/Dell as my next personal laptop, and simply fiddle with Linux. 2/3 of the price of a MBP for the same HW at the cost of spending a bit more time with the OS is acceptable to me, personally.

cyrusmg 8y ago

MacbookPro 2016 and newer is far from fully supported in Linux and MBP2015 is huge compared to 2016. https://github.com/dunedan/mbp-2016-linux https://github.com/dunedan/mbp-2016-linux

roadbeats 8y ago
Yes, even new Macbook keyboard is not compatible. That’s why I referred to 2015 and older.
- StudentStuff 8y ago
  So you end up with an overpriced used Macbook Pro 2015 (looking at eBay) that is comparable to a Thinkpad T440 or W540? Why would anyone pay 3x to 4x for a device that is a PITA to get most common Linux distros onto, and is challenging to repair? I don't see the value provided, even comparing weight and dimensions...
  - slow_donkey 8y ago
    I have a t440, the weight of the mbp is not comparable. It's more like a carbon and there's huge advantage to being able to move easily without a heavy laptop.
    - StudentStuff 8y ago
      Note that OP was referring to a 2015 MBP, before they seriously thinned the laptop.
  - roadbeats 8y ago
    I got both for free from my office. I could choose any laptop I want basically, and yes, I do prefer Macbook Pro over Thinkpad.

yrro 8y ago

Happy Toshiba X30/X40 user here. If you're ever looking for something else to run Linux on, I can recommend them (at least in their current incarnations). Even the bluetooth works out of the box!

halfastack 8y ago

I upgraded from MBP 2012 to the 15" 2015 version the last year. I'm sure 2k15 will be fine for a while, but this is unsustainable with the direction Apple computers are going. It's more expensive than ever; in Europe, I paid 2300 USD for the baseline 2k15 15" MBP; that's just crazy to me, and the baseline newest 15" MBP model goes for 3000 USD. Also, their anti-consumer practices, such as simply selling keyboards they know will break (and that are also bad! I thought the 2k15 keyboard was already bad compared to the 2k12 non-retina MBP), and not repairing anything in their MBP (check Louis Rossmann's Apple videos), are just a signal for me that the MBPs are not for power users. At work, I use the X1 Carbon 6th gen with Linux on it, and though I really like OSX, the hardware is starting to be nothing but farce. For that, I think I'll happily buy some Lenovo/Dell as my next personal laptop, and simply fiddle with Linux. 2/3 of the price of a MBP for the same HW at the cost of spending a bit more time with the OS is acceptable to me, personally.