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Agree that Windows works out of the box far more often than Linux, the reason precisely being what you said, that hardware makers do not release drivers for Lin

Agree that Windows works out of the box far more often than Linux, the reason precisely being what you said, that hardware makers do not release drivers for Linux for the most part, or even enough specs to write one without buggy reverse engineering. The situation is getting better but rather slowly. And when new hardware comes out, we go right back to square one again. But when Windows does break, the troubleshooting is, in my experience, even more obtuse than with Linux.

ru999gol 8y ago
The situation has been "getting better" for 10 years, it still terrible experience and will probably forever :( The only solution is to buy native Linux devices such as from Dell, system76 or tuxedo. Any other device which only supports Windows toddler OS will be a terrible experience. I'm writing this from a $2k razer blade stealth which has been a horrific experience with ubuntu (NEVER gonna buy a razer again).
- Carpetsmoker 8y ago
  It's considerably easier to run Linux on my ThinkPad x270 than it was on my xps 13 Developer Edition which came with Ubuntu pre-installed. In fact, I have no issues at all on my x270. Everything – including Bluetooth – Just Works™ out of the box.
  - dahfizz 8y ago
    I'm curious what kinds of issues you had on your xps?
    - Carpetsmoker 8y ago
      WiFi and Bluetooth only worked with the Dell drivers for example; I accidentally removed them due to an apt-get fuckup and it was hell to get it back. I also had a lot of problems with the audio; I don't recall what the issue was there exactly (it's been 3/4 years). I also had a XPS 15 at my current employer (not with Linux pre-installed), and that was even worse. The screen kept flickering (but only in Linux). I returned it to my employer and just got the x270. Been happy ever since :-)

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Agree that Windows works out of the box far more often than Linux, the reason precisely being what you said, that hardware makers do not release drivers for Lin

by Santosh83 8y ago

ru999gol 8y ago
The situation has been "getting better" for 10 years, it still terrible experience and will probably forever :( The only solution is to buy native Linux devices such as from Dell, system76 or tuxedo. Any other device which only supports Windows toddler OS will be a terrible experience. I'm writing this from a $2k razer blade stealth which has been a horrific experience with ubuntu (NEVER gonna buy a razer again).
- Carpetsmoker 8y ago
  It's considerably easier to run Linux on my ThinkPad x270 than it was on my xps 13 Developer Edition which came with Ubuntu pre-installed. In fact, I have no issues at all on my x270. Everything – including Bluetooth – Just Works™ out of the box.
  - dahfizz 8y ago
    I'm curious what kinds of issues you had on your xps?
    - Carpetsmoker 8y ago
      WiFi and Bluetooth only worked with the Dell drivers for example; I accidentally removed them due to an apt-get fuckup and it was hell to get it back. I also had a lot of problems with the audio; I don't recall what the issue was there exactly (it's been 3/4 years). I also had a XPS 15 at my current employer (not with Linux pre-installed), and that was even worse. The screen kept flickering (but only in Linux). I returned it to my employer and just got the x270. Been happy ever since :-)