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Not really - this is a different issue : generic problems vs out of the box behaviour. I expect Bluetooth to work out of the box on a Lenovo laptop in 2018, wh
by Agingcoder 8y ago
Not really - this is a different issue : generic problems vs out of the box behaviour.
I expect Bluetooth to work out of the box on a Lenovo laptop in 2018, while I don't expect Linux to work well at all. I've been using linux since 1996, and things haven't changed : unless hardware makers start supporting it natively, we'll always have problems.
Now, I may be very wrong on the windows side of things : I expect it to work, but maybe it doesn't!
- Santosh83 8y agoAgree that Windows works out of the box far more often than Linux, the reason precisely being what you said, that hardware makers do not release drivers for Linux for the most part, or even enough specs to write one without buggy reverse engineering. The situation is getting better but rather slowly. And when new hardware comes out, we go right back to square one again. But when Windows does break, the troubleshooting is, in my experience, even more obtuse than with Linux.
- ru999gol 8y agoThe situation has been "getting better" for 10 years, it still terrible experience and will probably forever :( The only solution is to buy native Linux devices such as from Dell, system76 or tuxedo. Any other device which only supports Windows toddler OS will be a terrible experience. I'm writing this from a $2k razer blade stealth which has been a horrific experience with ubuntu (NEVER gonna buy a razer again).
- Carpetsmoker 8y agoIt's considerably easier to run Linux on my ThinkPad x270 than it was on my xps 13 Developer Edition which came with Ubuntu pre-installed. In fact, I have no issues at all on my x270. Everything – including Bluetooth – Just Works™ out of the box.
- dahfizz 8y agoI'm curious what kinds of issues you had on your xps?
- Carpetsmoker 8y agoWiFi and Bluetooth only worked with the Dell drivers for example; I accidentally removed them due to an apt-get fuckup and it was hell to get it back. I also had a lot of problems with the audio; I don't recall what the issue was there exactly (it's been 3/4 years). I also had a XPS 15 at my current employer (not with Linux pre-installed), and that was even worse. The screen kept flickering (but only in Linux). I returned it to my employer and just got the x270. Been happy ever since :-)
- dpau 8y agoI just cringed a bit remembering my idealistic but ultimately doomed mission in the early 2000’s to convert an entire organization to Linux on the desktop, complete with a test group of forward-thinking, masochistic users who I encouraged to jump off the cliff with me. In a parallel universe I’m on the phone with a user at 3am cheerfully explaining how to use pico to edit their /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf!
- StudentStuff 8y agoThankfully on this front most of the desktop environments have come a long way, one can give a user a laptop running Debian or Fedora and that user will be able to install software right in Gnome Software, change wifi networks, display resolution/configuration and so forth without ever using their keyboard. Its feasible in 2018 to give your aunt a laptop running Linux (just so long as its not Hannah Montana Linux or Gentoo) and expect her to be able to go about her normal Facebook browsing, document editing routine without much issue.
- tertius 8y agohttps://certification.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Lenovo/ https://certification.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Lenovo/ At least they try.