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Please. You cannot be serious. Are you really saying that pricing in the US healthcare system is so broken that the only way to set prices is to take other coun

by noja 8y ago

Please. You cannot be serious. Are you really saying that pricing in the US healthcare system is so broken that the only way to set prices is to take other countries prices and convert them?

grecy 8y ago
It would certainly be a good start. In fact, the US could improve a lot of basic services if it looked at what other developed countries (OECD) are delivering, and for how much, and made those targets for the next lets say ~10 years. After those 10 years of bringing the US more into line with the best countries in the world, it should strive to do even better. Or, alternatively, the US can keep falling further behind.
- conductr 8y ago
  “The US” is not a entity unless you’re saying we should convert to a single payor system, then set prices based on rest of world pricing. I can tell from first hand experience. Healthcare companies, set prices by market. Specifically, by what price that market will sustain. It just so happens that the US can sustain the highest prices. You know being unregulated and rich af and all. This is how all industries/companies set prices btw. What you’re saying, It’s kind of like saying, I want New York City to base real estate prices off median home prices in the Midwest because as a buyer I like those prices better.
- alkonaut 8y ago
  This applies to quite a lot. Banking, legal, infrastructure, political systems etc. It amazes me how the US is still arguing how archaic districting laws should work, how to have elections with integrity or manage without paper checks or fax machines. I realize there are politicsl/historical and cultural differences but there is a combination of exceptionalism (“the US is so special we can’t just look at France and imitate”) and resignation (“yeah we want that but we cant have that because it would never work because X”) surrounding each of these discussions. The US is pushing boundaries in so many areas but when it comes to evolving society in a way that requires broad agreements, there isn’t much to report on
taneq 8y ago
From the point of view of people from other countries: Yes. Your pricing is fucked up.
- refurb 8y ago
  That sounds like an awesome idea if you completely ignore all the important things about healthcare differences across countries. In fact, it sounds like a great way to make things worse!
  - taneq 8y ago
    https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0011_health-outcomes https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0011_health-outcomes https://www.newsweek.com/united-states-health-care-rated-worst-637114 https://www.newsweek.com/united-states-health-care-rated-wor... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_of_healthcare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_o... Um.
    - refurb 8y ago
      You sources have nothing to do with my reply. “Tweaking” the system is how the US system got so messed up in the first place. Anyone who suggests “just one simple tweak should fix things” is an idiot.

by noja 8y ago

Please. You cannot be serious. Are you really saying that pricing in the US healthcare system is so broken that the only way to set prices is to take other countries prices and convert them?

grecy 8y ago

It would certainly be a good start. In fact, the US could improve a lot of basic services if it looked at what other developed countries (OECD) are delivering, and for how much, and made those targets for the next lets say ~10 years. After those 10 years of bringing the US more into line with the best countries in the world, it should strive to do even better. Or, alternatively, the US can keep falling further behind.

conductr 8y ago
“The US” is not a entity unless you’re saying we should convert to a single payor system, then set prices based on rest of world pricing. I can tell from first hand experience. Healthcare companies, set prices by market. Specifically, by what price that market will sustain. It just so happens that the US can sustain the highest prices. You know being unregulated and rich af and all. This is how all industries/companies set prices btw. What you’re saying, It’s kind of like saying, I want New York City to base real estate prices off median home prices in the Midwest because as a buyer I like those prices better.
alkonaut 8y ago
This applies to quite a lot. Banking, legal, infrastructure, political systems etc. It amazes me how the US is still arguing how archaic districting laws should work, how to have elections with integrity or manage without paper checks or fax machines. I realize there are politicsl/historical and cultural differences but there is a combination of exceptionalism (“the US is so special we can’t just look at France and imitate”) and resignation (“yeah we want that but we cant have that because it would never work because X”) surrounding each of these discussions. The US is pushing boundaries in so many areas but when it comes to evolving society in a way that requires broad agreements, there isn’t much to report on

taneq 8y ago

From the point of view of people from other countries: Yes. Your pricing is fucked up.

refurb 8y ago
That sounds like an awesome idea if you completely ignore all the important things about healthcare differences across countries. In fact, it sounds like a great way to make things worse!
- taneq 8y ago
  https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0011_health-outcomes https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0011_health-outcomes https://www.newsweek.com/united-states-health-care-rated-worst-637114 https://www.newsweek.com/united-states-health-care-rated-wor... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_of_healthcare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_o... Um.
  - refurb 8y ago
    You sources have nothing to do with my reply. “Tweaking” the system is how the US system got so messed up in the first place. Anyone who suggests “just one simple tweak should fix things” is an idiot.