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First, it's not hypocrisy to believe in protected classes but not wanting fascists to be one of them. I don't think businesses should be able to turn down custo

First, it's not hypocrisy to believe in protected classes but not wanting fascists to be one of them. I don't think businesses should be able to turn down customers on the basis of their race, I do think businesses should be able to turn down customers on the basis of their shirt saying "Race War Now" on it. No hypocrisy here. Second, even if we set aside protected classes, I don't think Patreon should be obligated to host projects it doesn't agree with, whatever they may be. It is their right to cultivate their public image in whatever way they see fit. Of course, I also believe VISA is under no obligation to process transactions for Patreon, and so I'd sincerely hope that they'd cut off a hypothetical Patreon that exists just to enrich 4chan weirdos, and I'd work to achieve that goal in society. I would help any effort to shut down such a site.

stcredzero 8y ago
First, it's not hypocrisy to believe in protected classes but not wanting fascists to be one of them. It's the height of dishonesty to purposely label people as fascists when they are not. It's also dishonest if you know someone isn't a fascist, but you go along with the the narrative because it's easier. At best, the case with Sargon of Akkad is that Patreon was honestly fooled. I don't think Patreon should be obligated to host projects it doesn't agree with Then Patreon and PayPal should bill themselves as something other than a "payment platform." I'd sincerely hope that they'd cut off a hypothetical Patreon that exists just to enrich 4chan weirdos, and I'd work to achieve that goal in society. I would help any effort to shut down such a site. You'd have a very different POV if it were people of your own tribe(s) who were being shut down in this fashion. (Which was pretty much the analogous case in the 60's when Berkeley was at the center of the Free Speech movement.) Then you would be singing the Free Speech message loud and clear. The reason why the concept of the right of Free Speech exists, is so that people who have power can't simply shut down everyone else. Beware what political tools you let people have. One day, they may be turned against your side.
- notafraudster 8y ago
  You do get to tell me you disagree with my answer. You don't get to tell me what my answer is, sorry dude.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    "Beware what political tools you let people have. One day, they may be turned against your side." I'm not telling you what your answer should be. I'm pointing out how your chosen answer can be turned around to bite you one day.

stcredzero 8y ago

First, it's not hypocrisy to believe in protected classes but not wanting fascists to be one of them. It's the height of dishonesty to purposely label people as fascists when they are not. It's also dishonest if you know someone isn't a fascist, but you go along with the the narrative because it's easier. At best, the case with Sargon of Akkad is that Patreon was honestly fooled. I don't think Patreon should be obligated to host projects it doesn't agree with Then Patreon and PayPal should bill themselves as something other than a "payment platform." I'd sincerely hope that they'd cut off a hypothetical Patreon that exists just to enrich 4chan weirdos, and I'd work to achieve that goal in society. I would help any effort to shut down such a site. You'd have a very different POV if it were people of your own tribe(s) who were being shut down in this fashion. (Which was pretty much the analogous case in the 60's when Berkeley was at the center of the Free Speech movement.) Then you would be singing the Free Speech message loud and clear. The reason why the concept of the right of Free Speech exists, is so that people who have power can't simply shut down everyone else. Beware what political tools you let people have. One day, they may be turned against your side.

notafraudster 8y ago
You do get to tell me you disagree with my answer. You don't get to tell me what my answer is, sorry dude.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  "Beware what political tools you let people have. One day, they may be turned against your side." I'm not telling you what your answer should be. I'm pointing out how your chosen answer can be turned around to bite you one day.