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The change needs to be coordinated, but how do you coordinate action between multiple actors when some of those actors are nefarious and actually acting against

The change needs to be coordinated, but how do you coordinate action between multiple actors when some of those actors are nefarious and actually acting against the change?

hannasanarion 8y ago
By punishing them with the force of law, just like we do with everyone else who doesn't follow the rules.
- emanuelsaringan 8y ago
  China is playing chess while everyone is playing checkers.
- shemnon42 8y ago
  You missed the point where I was describing the Byzantine Generals problem, of which Byzantine Fault Tolerance solves, and BFT solutions are at the core of almost all blockchain protocols. Software imitates life.
  - hannasanarion 8y ago
    There is no need for Byzantine tolerance when there is a single authority that is held responsible, like a bank, or a government. Byzantine problems rarely occur in real life, they were effective invented by cryptocurrencies and "solved" by cryptocurrencies (by turning luck and wasrefulness into a measure of authority)
    - Nasrudith 8y ago
      >There is no need for Byzantine tolerance when there is a single authority that is held responsible, like a bank, or a government. Where do you live where a single authority that is held responsible? It must be a very idyllic place. In all seriousness a single authority is both very exploitable and failure prone.
      - hannasanarion 8y ago
        If it was exploitable and failure prone, why is it the standard going back centuries? If somebody gets into my bank account, what happens? The Bank covers my losses as law enforcement looks into the security breach and tracks down the thief. My life is unchanged, I don't lose anything. If somebody gets into my bitcoin wallet, what happens? I lose everything I put into it, period. Can't get it back, can't prosecute, can't have my losses covered by federal investment insurance, it's just poof, gone, and no government is going to chase it down because the design of the system prevents any authority from intervening. Which of these is more idyllic to you? I would much rather live in the world of banks and FDIC and police and courts than to live balancing on the razor's edge in crypto-land, a keystroke away from total ruin.

The change needs to be coordinated, but how do you coordinate action between multiple actors when some of those actors are nefarious and actually acting against the change?

hannasanarion 8y ago

By punishing them with the force of law, just like we do with everyone else who doesn't follow the rules.

emanuelsaringan 8y ago
China is playing chess while everyone is playing checkers.
shemnon42 8y ago
You missed the point where I was describing the Byzantine Generals problem, of which Byzantine Fault Tolerance solves, and BFT solutions are at the core of almost all blockchain protocols. Software imitates life.
- hannasanarion 8y ago
  There is no need for Byzantine tolerance when there is a single authority that is held responsible, like a bank, or a government. Byzantine problems rarely occur in real life, they were effective invented by cryptocurrencies and "solved" by cryptocurrencies (by turning luck and wasrefulness into a measure of authority)
  - Nasrudith 8y ago
    >There is no need for Byzantine tolerance when there is a single authority that is held responsible, like a bank, or a government. Where do you live where a single authority that is held responsible? It must be a very idyllic place. In all seriousness a single authority is both very exploitable and failure prone.
    - hannasanarion 8y ago
      If it was exploitable and failure prone, why is it the standard going back centuries? If somebody gets into my bank account, what happens? The Bank covers my losses as law enforcement looks into the security breach and tracks down the thief. My life is unchanged, I don't lose anything. If somebody gets into my bitcoin wallet, what happens? I lose everything I put into it, period. Can't get it back, can't prosecute, can't have my losses covered by federal investment insurance, it's just poof, gone, and no government is going to chase it down because the design of the system prevents any authority from intervening. Which of these is more idyllic to you? I would much rather live in the world of banks and FDIC and police and courts than to live balancing on the razor's edge in crypto-land, a keystroke away from total ruin.