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Christiansen Patreon Call Transcript

14 points by barry-cotter 8y ago

barry-cotter 8y ago
https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1076886857445711872?s=21 https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1076886857445711872?s... Long twitter thread on the relation between MasterCard, Visa and Patreon and how the credit card cartel is attempting to minimise political risk. https://skytideseo.com/news/subscribestar-website-gets-shutdown-by-paypal-stripe/ https://skytideseo.com/news/subscribestar-website-gets-shutd... The Patreon alternative SubscibeStar was banned by payment processors Stripe and PayPal, as well as their other six payment processors in one day. It’s all Visa and MasterCard.
- ddingus 8y ago
  Not OK. Political risks are not all the same. For one, those seeking to chalkenge the current economic status quo, to improve the general welfare have every right to do so and will get lumped in with nefarious actors.
  - ohithereyou 8y ago
    The only way to challenge the credit card companies and big banking is cash in the mail. Clubs dues used to be collected this way. A company that can take cash in hand (or through the mail) and handle disabling access for non-payment could be mostly immune to this sort of manipulation.
    - ddingus 8y ago
      Good to know.
argimenes 8y ago
Fascinating. But didn't you admit in the transcript that you broke the law in your state and California by recording the call without consent? Or was that a lie?
- epicureanideal 8y ago
  Nobody said he recorded it. Maybe he was typing it as they talked. Or typed enough that he could accurately recall the parts he couldn't type fast enough.
- caseysoftware 8y ago
  A transcription doesn't have to be made from a recording. Check out how court transcriptionists work. While I fully believe he recorded the call, there are other plausible answers and without a copy of the recording or him admitting it, we're just guessing.
  - gralx 8y ago
    A semantic point: a stenographic transcript is a recording, just not an audio recording. Furthermore, court stenographers prepare the final transcript from an audio recording, and setting up and controlling the audio equipment to record court proceedings is one of the court stenographer's duties. Their in-court duties do, of course, include reading back statements made moments ago, which is much more practical to do from a page than from a recording, hence why voice-to-text software today and steno machines previously are so closely associated with court stenography.
    - caseysoftware 8y ago
      Thanks for the background and information. In this particular situation, the two-party consent laws revolve specifically around capturing audio in audio form, not writing.
- trothamel 8y ago
  Didn't he arrange to have the call transcribed on the fly, so he didn't have to record it?
  - quadrangle 8y ago
    A live transcription is a recording.
dang 8y ago
Please don't break the site guidelines by editorializing in submission titles. On HN, being the submitter of an article conveys no special rights over the content, such as how to frame it for readers. If you want to express your opinion, the place for that is in a comment; then your view is on a level playing field with other users'. Titles are by far the biggest influence on threads, so this rule is kind of a big deal. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (Submitted title was "Patreon are banning people at MasterVisa’s direction".)
- barry-cotter 8y ago
  Ok
mikedilger 8y ago
The previous deplatforming has been legal, but the blocking out of SubscribeStar is likely to be ruled anti-competitive behavior. There is an anti-trust case in the works for the Federal Trade Commission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ySC7edHO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ySC7edHO0 If they take it up, they will look much more deeply into what's actually going on behind the scenes. Googles very existence stems from the fact that Microsoft was under FTC investigation and had to step carefully. If not, Microsoft would have squashed Google when it was little. The FTC changes behavior by just the act of looking into the thing.
gonational 8y ago
Archive: http://archive.is/6xSnA http://archive.is/6xSnA

14 points by barry-cotter 8y ago

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1076886857445711872?s=21 https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1076886857445711872?s... Long twitter thread on the relation between MasterCard, Visa and Patreon and how the credit card cartel is attempting to minimise political risk. https://skytideseo.com/news/subscribestar-website-gets-shutdown-by-paypal-stripe/ https://skytideseo.com/news/subscribestar-website-gets-shutd... The Patreon alternative SubscibeStar was banned by payment processors Stripe and PayPal, as well as their other six payment processors in one day. It’s all Visa and MasterCard.

ddingus 8y ago
Not OK. Political risks are not all the same. For one, those seeking to chalkenge the current economic status quo, to improve the general welfare have every right to do so and will get lumped in with nefarious actors.
- ohithereyou 8y ago
  The only way to challenge the credit card companies and big banking is cash in the mail. Clubs dues used to be collected this way. A company that can take cash in hand (or through the mail) and handle disabling access for non-payment could be mostly immune to this sort of manipulation.
  - ddingus 8y ago
    Good to know.

argimenes 8y ago

Fascinating. But didn't you admit in the transcript that you broke the law in your state and California by recording the call without consent? Or was that a lie?

epicureanideal 8y ago
Nobody said he recorded it. Maybe he was typing it as they talked. Or typed enough that he could accurately recall the parts he couldn't type fast enough.
caseysoftware 8y ago
A transcription doesn't have to be made from a recording. Check out how court transcriptionists work. While I fully believe he recorded the call, there are other plausible answers and without a copy of the recording or him admitting it, we're just guessing.
- gralx 8y ago
  A semantic point: a stenographic transcript is a recording, just not an audio recording. Furthermore, court stenographers prepare the final transcript from an audio recording, and setting up and controlling the audio equipment to record court proceedings is one of the court stenographer's duties. Their in-court duties do, of course, include reading back statements made moments ago, which is much more practical to do from a page than from a recording, hence why voice-to-text software today and steno machines previously are so closely associated with court stenography.
  - caseysoftware 8y ago
    Thanks for the background and information. In this particular situation, the two-party consent laws revolve specifically around capturing audio in audio form, not writing.
trothamel 8y ago
Didn't he arrange to have the call transcribed on the fly, so he didn't have to record it?
- quadrangle 8y ago
  A live transcription is a recording.

dang 8y ago

Please don't break the site guidelines by editorializing in submission titles. On HN, being the submitter of an article conveys no special rights over the content, such as how to frame it for readers. If you want to express your opinion, the place for that is in a comment; then your view is on a level playing field with other users'. Titles are by far the biggest influence on threads, so this rule is kind of a big deal. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (Submitted title was "Patreon are banning people at MasterVisa’s direction".)

barry-cotter 8y ago
Ok

mikedilger 8y ago

The previous deplatforming has been legal, but the blocking out of SubscribeStar is likely to be ruled anti-competitive behavior. There is an anti-trust case in the works for the Federal Trade Commission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ySC7edHO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ySC7edHO0 If they take it up, they will look much more deeply into what's actually going on behind the scenes. Googles very existence stems from the fact that Microsoft was under FTC investigation and had to step carefully. If not, Microsoft would have squashed Google when it was little. The FTC changes behavior by just the act of looking into the thing.

gonational 8y ago

Archive: http://archive.is/6xSnA http://archive.is/6xSnA