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> Privately-owned services should be free to censor. Yes, but they should also be free not to, so we really just need some companies with guts to make a paymen

> Privately-owned services should be free to censor. Yes, but they should also be free not to, so we really just need some companies with guts to make a payment processor that to the law, nothing more, and related platforms that do the same thing. > there's not much anyone can do in the current framework of things other than encourage decentralization But that is ultimately at odds with "hardened policies that aren't selectively enforced". A giant platform, like paypal + patreon without ANY meddling, or a giant payment processor and a bunch of big platforms that use it, that might not just be cheaper to run, it would solve the issue more or less (until they in turn get kicked off the net by cloudflare or something, but why assume that would happen at this point, seem prematurely pessimistic). Decentralization is like "Linux on the desktop", whereas a payment processor that only respects the law really just requires money and people who can do it.

XorNot 8y ago
You're making a real big assumption that anyone wants to build this service, and anyone wants to support it. The evidence says, they do not - hate groups fail at these gives all the time because ultimately they also don't get along with anyone else. I'd view that as the marketplace of ideas working correctly.
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  Hate groups. Naomi Wu isn't a hate group, other people who were booted off for totally arbitrary reasons aren't either. And of course, people who just nilly-willy declare other people unpersons with a broad brush, those aren't hate groups, either, they couln't possibly be projecting. You might be declaring millions and billions of people as "nobody", and a few ten thousand witch hunters and those who egg them on or belittle them as "everybody". The next few years will show. > I'd view that as the marketplace of ideas working correctly. By people being attacked and smeared? That's not what marketplace of ideas means. So in your mind, would the "marketplace of ideas" be working even better if instead if just kicking people from Patreon, they'd also have their water and electricity turned off? If not, why not? Don't say "it's an utility", this is in the context of your claim nobody could possibly want such an utility. If that were true, it would be like regression to some very medieval understanding of society, if even that.

XorNot 8y ago

You're making a real big assumption that anyone wants to build this service, and anyone wants to support it. The evidence says, they do not - hate groups fail at these gives all the time because ultimately they also don't get along with anyone else. I'd view that as the marketplace of ideas working correctly.

PavlovsCat 8y ago
Hate groups. Naomi Wu isn't a hate group, other people who were booted off for totally arbitrary reasons aren't either. And of course, people who just nilly-willy declare other people unpersons with a broad brush, those aren't hate groups, either, they couln't possibly be projecting. You might be declaring millions and billions of people as "nobody", and a few ten thousand witch hunters and those who egg them on or belittle them as "everybody". The next few years will show. > I'd view that as the marketplace of ideas working correctly. By people being attacked and smeared? That's not what marketplace of ideas means. So in your mind, would the "marketplace of ideas" be working even better if instead if just kicking people from Patreon, they'd also have their water and electricity turned off? If not, why not? Don't say "it's an utility", this is in the context of your claim nobody could possibly want such an utility. If that were true, it would be like regression to some very medieval understanding of society, if even that.