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You are conflating greed with innovation. We did not rally optimism and childlike curiosoty from the general public for HTTP or TCP/IP. You are shilling based

You are conflating greed with innovation. We did not rally optimism and childlike curiosoty from the general public for HTTP or TCP/IP. You are shilling based on the popular Bitcoin playbook of Quotes and Comments. If it's really about the technology then people shouldn't care about the USD value of this crapshitcoins era... But no you folks not only took on the technologically inclined people but dragged the unaware general public into the mud took their money and fueled your drug-induced, darkweb fantasies of lambos and Porsches. Just stop with this bs already .. I really hope SEC comes after everyone of you greedy technobabble mumbo jumbo Signal pump-dump idiots.

jMyles 8y ago
> We did not rally optimism and childlike curiosoty from the general public for HTTP or TCP/IP. Yes we did! It took a lot to get people excited about the internet, and a lot of naysayers made it a dramatic feat. The difference is that I'm hoping not to find this kind of negativity and name-calling here on HN. > you folks not only took on the technologically inclined people but dragged the unaware general public into the mud took their money and fueled your drug-induced, darkweb fantasies of lambos and Porsches. Please show me where I did anything even vaguely resembling this. I assert that I've been a reliable, honest contributor and spoken with my code. I've never been part of a public sale, nor ever made any promises of any kind to anybody who was participating in a public sale. NuCypher will not hold a public sale until our network is ready for use by real application developers. Full stop. That is the opposite of shilling. Why are you attacking me personally here?
- mindfulplay 8y ago
  Please at least add a HUGE disclaimer that all the NuCoin things are your own products and not some childlike curiosity. It's important that people understand that because HN doesn't allow ads without disclaimers.
  - jMyles 8y ago
    I am unable to edit my comment at this time, but reading it, I think it's very, very obvious from my language ("If I am permitted to send one of my recent talks[0] back with this message about our progress at NuCypher...") that I work at NuCypher. It's not like I mentioned it in passing; I mentioned it specifically to talk about my own experience. And what are "NuCoin things"? What are you talking about? Do you even have a sense of the technology in this space at all? Or are you just pointing at things about which you've never heard and throwing a tantrum? Your accusations with the lambos and things are just truly over-the-top. You are targeting the wrong people. We have consistently put out top-shelf high-level cryptographic tooling. We have vowed not to do a public sale until our network is functional in sufficient measure to be worth what we ask for it. And we have made good on that promise. If you have specific suggestions about how to be more responsible than we have, please offer them and stop with the melodrama.
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    - bmer 8y ago
      > If you have specific suggestions about how to be more responsible than we have, please offer them and stop with the melodrama. HTTP and TCP/IP do not provoke "child like" wonder and curiosity, because they can be understood by everyone. In other words, they provoke a more mature sense of wonder: one that is backed by a fundamental grasping of the technology, which means people also understand the challenges associated with the tech. The fun is in overcoming the challenge. With shitcoin technobabble: little to no effort is made to explain the underlying tech with useful analogies (often times, because there isn't really any underlying tech, or because the tech is actually only going to benefit a small proportion of "users"). The obfuscation of the system is precisely what allows technobabble to "evoke a sense of child like curiosity", rather than a proper understanding. This is an old and common tactic: most "financial instruments" are similarly obfuscated. You're not a newcomer trying to do well, but rather the same old salesman, pitching a new naturopathic solution.
      - 8y ago
amvalo 8y ago
Hey now... don't drag Signal into this.
- jMyles 8y ago
  I use Signal every day; I have turned something like 10 family members on to it, including literally my Grandmother. That said, I do kinda feel like Open Whisper prioritizes a more centralized vision of the future than is reasonable for truly secure communications, and I suspect that it does this in order to maintain control and relationships with donors. Again, I love Signal (and moxie, if you're reading this, I think you've done a bang-up job). But I also think that it's important that we start to talk about viable alternatives which fix a lot of what's wrong with Signal, and I think that the first place to look for that is matrix / Riot chat.
zik 8y ago
Not everyone's who's interested in decentralized trustless payment technology is a "shill". You're dismissing innovation and tarring it with greed.
- root_axis 8y ago
  While the term "shill" is somewhat inflammatory, I don't think it's entirely inaccurate here; specifically the grandiose rhetoric used to hype up his own personal cryptocurrency projects.
- mindfulplay 8y ago
  I did intentionally want this to be inflammatory. ICOs,crapcoins have took money from the general public without any regulation and funneled into shady, dodgy ventures. So yes of course my comments come out to be inflammatory.
  - dang 8y ago
    Please don't do that here. It damages the container regardless of how right you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - mindfulplay 8y ago
      Apologies. Won't do that again.

jMyles 8y ago

> We did not rally optimism and childlike curiosoty from the general public for HTTP or TCP/IP. Yes we did! It took a lot to get people excited about the internet, and a lot of naysayers made it a dramatic feat. The difference is that I'm hoping not to find this kind of negativity and name-calling here on HN. > you folks not only took on the technologically inclined people but dragged the unaware general public into the mud took their money and fueled your drug-induced, darkweb fantasies of lambos and Porsches. Please show me where I did anything even vaguely resembling this. I assert that I've been a reliable, honest contributor and spoken with my code. I've never been part of a public sale, nor ever made any promises of any kind to anybody who was participating in a public sale. NuCypher will not hold a public sale until our network is ready for use by real application developers. Full stop. That is the opposite of shilling. Why are you attacking me personally here?

mindfulplay 8y ago
Please at least add a HUGE disclaimer that all the NuCoin things are your own products and not some childlike curiosity. It's important that people understand that because HN doesn't allow ads without disclaimers.
- jMyles 8y ago
  I am unable to edit my comment at this time, but reading it, I think it's very, very obvious from my language ("If I am permitted to send one of my recent talks[0] back with this message about our progress at NuCypher...") that I work at NuCypher. It's not like I mentioned it in passing; I mentioned it specifically to talk about my own experience. And what are "NuCoin things"? What are you talking about? Do you even have a sense of the technology in this space at all? Or are you just pointing at things about which you've never heard and throwing a tantrum? Your accusations with the lambos and things are just truly over-the-top. You are targeting the wrong people. We have consistently put out top-shelf high-level cryptographic tooling. We have vowed not to do a public sale until our network is functional in sufficient measure to be worth what we ask for it. And we have made good on that promise. If you have specific suggestions about how to be more responsible than we have, please offer them and stop with the melodrama.
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  - bmer 8y ago
    > If you have specific suggestions about how to be more responsible than we have, please offer them and stop with the melodrama. HTTP and TCP/IP do not provoke "child like" wonder and curiosity, because they can be understood by everyone. In other words, they provoke a more mature sense of wonder: one that is backed by a fundamental grasping of the technology, which means people also understand the challenges associated with the tech. The fun is in overcoming the challenge. With shitcoin technobabble: little to no effort is made to explain the underlying tech with useful analogies (often times, because there isn't really any underlying tech, or because the tech is actually only going to benefit a small proportion of "users"). The obfuscation of the system is precisely what allows technobabble to "evoke a sense of child like curiosity", rather than a proper understanding. This is an old and common tactic: most "financial instruments" are similarly obfuscated. You're not a newcomer trying to do well, but rather the same old salesman, pitching a new naturopathic solution.
    - 8y ago

amvalo 8y ago

Hey now... don't drag Signal into this.

jMyles 8y ago
I use Signal every day; I have turned something like 10 family members on to it, including literally my Grandmother. That said, I do kinda feel like Open Whisper prioritizes a more centralized vision of the future than is reasonable for truly secure communications, and I suspect that it does this in order to maintain control and relationships with donors. Again, I love Signal (and moxie, if you're reading this, I think you've done a bang-up job). But I also think that it's important that we start to talk about viable alternatives which fix a lot of what's wrong with Signal, and I think that the first place to look for that is matrix / Riot chat.

zik 8y ago

Not everyone's who's interested in decentralized trustless payment technology is a "shill". You're dismissing innovation and tarring it with greed.

root_axis 8y ago
While the term "shill" is somewhat inflammatory, I don't think it's entirely inaccurate here; specifically the grandiose rhetoric used to hype up his own personal cryptocurrency projects.
mindfulplay 8y ago
I did intentionally want this to be inflammatory. ICOs,crapcoins have took money from the general public without any regulation and funneled into shady, dodgy ventures. So yes of course my comments come out to be inflammatory.
- dang 8y ago
  Please don't do that here. It damages the container regardless of how right you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - mindfulplay 8y ago
    Apologies. Won't do that again.