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> who to do business with and don’t like that race... Although not the historical reason, a far simpler one is: you can change your mind and ideas but can't ch

> who to do business with and don’t like that race... Although not the historical reason, a far simpler one is: you can change your mind and ideas but can't change your race. In addition, it is that behavior and not that belief that gets the racist removed from the premises. You can choose to be quiet about your ideas where they are not welcome, but you can't choose to not be your race where it is not welcome.

dkersten 8y ago
Yes, this makes sense.
creaghpatr 8y ago
So if being black was a choice you would be okay with businesses discriminating against black people unless they chose to be a different race?
- krapp 8y ago
  In this hypothetical universe, is it as easy to change one's race as it is to change one's clothes? If so, it seems no different than "no shirt, no shoes, no service." But then a world in which race was a choice would be so different from our own that one would wonder whether racial discrimination would even exist, or what "black" would even mean.
  - y2kenny 8y ago
    If I understand the arguments some folks are putting out these days, race, like gender, is now a social construct and therefore entirely mutable: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/16/how-fluid-is-racial-identity/race-and-racial-identity-are-social-constructs https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/16/how-fluid-i... I am not saying I agree or disagree with it, but perhaps things are not as hypothetical as you believe.
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humanrebar 8y ago
> ...you can change your mind and ideas but can't change your race So we can ban people for/against atheism because it's an idea one could theoretically change their minds on?
- voidpointercast 8y ago
  I mean you could make the legitimate argument that Atheism is a religion in itself. That said, your example is lacking and ill-defined in legalese.
  - Intermernet 8y ago
    You can therefore make the argument that not believing in moon goats is a religion, and therefore everyone follows an almost infinite number of religions through their acts of disbelief. Atheism is literally the opposite of religion.
Consultant32452 8y ago
In the specific case in question the naughty language occurred off platform. So the "racist" in this analogy did keep their mouth quiet in your pub. But you still kicked them out. Did you know that the incident in question is about this Sargon fellow attacking white nationalists? So to further kill the analogy, you kicked a fellow out of your pub for saying mean things things against racism while at another pub.

dkersten 8y ago

Yes, this makes sense.

creaghpatr 8y ago

So if being black was a choice you would be okay with businesses discriminating against black people unless they chose to be a different race?

krapp 8y ago
In this hypothetical universe, is it as easy to change one's race as it is to change one's clothes? If so, it seems no different than "no shirt, no shoes, no service." But then a world in which race was a choice would be so different from our own that one would wonder whether racial discrimination would even exist, or what "black" would even mean.
- y2kenny 8y ago
  If I understand the arguments some folks are putting out these days, race, like gender, is now a social construct and therefore entirely mutable: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/16/how-fluid-is-racial-identity/race-and-racial-identity-are-social-constructs https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/16/how-fluid-i... I am not saying I agree or disagree with it, but perhaps things are not as hypothetical as you believe.
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humanrebar 8y ago

> ...you can change your mind and ideas but can't change your race So we can ban people for/against atheism because it's an idea one could theoretically change their minds on?

voidpointercast 8y ago
I mean you could make the legitimate argument that Atheism is a religion in itself. That said, your example is lacking and ill-defined in legalese.
- Intermernet 8y ago
  You can therefore make the argument that not believing in moon goats is a religion, and therefore everyone follows an almost infinite number of religions through their acts of disbelief. Atheism is literally the opposite of religion.

Consultant32452 8y ago

In the specific case in question the naughty language occurred off platform. So the "racist" in this analogy did keep their mouth quiet in your pub. But you still kicked them out. Did you know that the incident in question is about this Sargon fellow attacking white nationalists? So to further kill the analogy, you kicked a fellow out of your pub for saying mean things things against racism while at another pub.