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He used slurs, that's for certain. But it's critical to point out that the context in which they were used was to tell the Alt Right that they're behaving exact

He used slurs, that's for certain. But it's critical to point out that the context in which they were used was to tell the Alt Right that they're behaving exactly like they see the groups they despise (blacks, Jewish people, gays etc.) through their bigoted worldview. Not to mention, your excerpt cuts off a crucial part of what he said. As other commenters pointed out, the whole part of this was: > It's not about, like, actually doing any good, it's about getting attention. And I see, like, 'kikes are ruining everything'. [laughs] Good—good—good job. Should tackle field [I can't understand this sentence]. You're making your movement look like you're not full of Nazis! Great! Bravo!" In case the context isn't clear, saying that they "look like you're not full of Nazi" is sarcasm. Of course subscription to belief in a global Jewish conspiracy makes a group look like they're full of Nazis. It is difficult to claim that these statements were meant as an attack on blacks and Jewish people themselves. It's pretty obvious that this banning was carried out for ideological reasons. In the past, Jack Conte stated that Patreon would only ban people for speech that was spread on their platform.[1] This was flat out ignored. It looks like much of their userbase is calling them out on the questionable justifications for the banning, too.[2] 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw 2. See comments on https://patreonhq.com/hate-speech-on-patreon-a9026e52c2cf https://patreonhq.com/hate-speech-on-patreon-a9026e52c2cf Edit: changed "they're behaving exactly like the groups they despise" to "they're behaving exactly like they see the groups they despise through their bigoted worldview". Crucial mis-wording on my part, as the original version made it look I was saying said groups really do behave like how the alt-right claims.

randallsquared 8y ago
> It is difficult to claim that these statements were meant as an attack on blacks and Jewish people themselves. Looking through the rest of this thread, it doesn't appear to be difficult to claim that at all. Lots of people are doing so with ease. I think the issue is more about gaslighting vs honesty.
- mikedilger 8y ago
  You're right, it's not difficult to read the quote and assume he is bigoted. In fact, given a cursory read, most people would make that assumption. But if you listen to Sargon of Akkad regularly, you'll pick up on the fact that he loves to use a partcular conversational device that may be more common in Britain than in the United States... a form of sarcastic mocking where he speaks as if he is his opponent. This is very easily taken out of context, as was done here. Out of context it looks terrible -- but it does not convey what Sargon was conveying during that livestream. I feel that the message being conveyed at the time is what matters, not the particular words used. People are getting too caught up on particular words, and missing the message conveyed.

randallsquared 8y ago

> It is difficult to claim that these statements were meant as an attack on blacks and Jewish people themselves. Looking through the rest of this thread, it doesn't appear to be difficult to claim that at all. Lots of people are doing so with ease. I think the issue is more about gaslighting vs honesty.

mikedilger 8y ago
You're right, it's not difficult to read the quote and assume he is bigoted. In fact, given a cursory read, most people would make that assumption. But if you listen to Sargon of Akkad regularly, you'll pick up on the fact that he loves to use a partcular conversational device that may be more common in Britain than in the United States... a form of sarcastic mocking where he speaks as if he is his opponent. This is very easily taken out of context, as was done here. Out of context it looks terrible -- but it does not convey what Sargon was conveying during that livestream. I feel that the message being conveyed at the time is what matters, not the particular words used. People are getting too caught up on particular words, and missing the message conveyed.