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Your comment only seems to reinforce the point that > This probably shows how difficult it was even then to get something published under your own name as a wo

Your comment only seems to reinforce the point that > This probably shows how difficult it was even then to get something published under your own name as a woman Or are you suggesting that it was not difficult for a woman to publish under her name, only that it was not customary to do so? Can you point to some supporting examples of this, if so? > (It's still in use in more formal / old-fashioned contexts.) formal / old-fashioned / misogynistic contexts.

gammateam 8y ago
They said it wasnt an example of it without suggesting anything You dont need to have an opinion or dissertation on the topic of dis/enfranchisement to make this observation
- Andre607 8y ago
  They said it wasn't an example of it, but then presented a historical account which only seemingly reinforces the original claim they were claiming it was not.
  - leshow 8y ago
    > only reinforces the original claim It didn't though, the "Mme" part stands for mademoiselle, indicating it is a woman. Therefore they weren't pretending to be a man for the purpose of getting a paper published.
    - Andre607 8y ago
      > It didn't though, the "Mme" part stands for mademoiselle, indicating it is a woman. Therefore they weren't pretending to be a man for the purpose of getting a paper published. The specific claim I was addressing is not that one had to pretend to be a man to get something published, the original claim is, once again, that it was difficult to publish under your own name as a woman, as quoted several times now: > This probably shows how difficult it was even then to get something published under your own name as a woman The comment that it was customary to use a husband's name preceded by Mme. thus does not negate this original claim, if anything it reinforces it.
      - gammateam 8y ago
        > The comment that it was customary to use a husband's name preceded by Mme. thus does not negate this original claim, if anything it reinforces it. We don't have anything to support or negate the idea of whether a French women could have published in her own name if she was single, or if she was married and addressed herself in a non-customary way. We just don't and the conversation never went that direction. This is in your interest to understand alone but in a conversation where nobody has provided anything. As such it will be impossible for anyone to prove or disprove your assertions, and may have to be your own area of research, alone.
    - BerislavLopac 8y ago
      "Mme" is "Madame", indicating a married woman. "Mmelle" stands for "Mademoiselle", which means an unmarried woman, and in that case it would have her own name (as there is no husband).
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empath75 8y ago
In a pedantic sense it is her own name in the sense that it was a name by which she was referred, though obviously it’s a misogynistic custom which is thankfully uncommon now.

gammateam 8y ago

They said it wasnt an example of it without suggesting anything You dont need to have an opinion or dissertation on the topic of dis/enfranchisement to make this observation

Andre607 8y ago
They said it wasn't an example of it, but then presented a historical account which only seemingly reinforces the original claim they were claiming it was not.
- leshow 8y ago
  > only reinforces the original claim It didn't though, the "Mme" part stands for mademoiselle, indicating it is a woman. Therefore they weren't pretending to be a man for the purpose of getting a paper published.
  - Andre607 8y ago
    > It didn't though, the "Mme" part stands for mademoiselle, indicating it is a woman. Therefore they weren't pretending to be a man for the purpose of getting a paper published. The specific claim I was addressing is not that one had to pretend to be a man to get something published, the original claim is, once again, that it was difficult to publish under your own name as a woman, as quoted several times now: > This probably shows how difficult it was even then to get something published under your own name as a woman The comment that it was customary to use a husband's name preceded by Mme. thus does not negate this original claim, if anything it reinforces it.
    - gammateam 8y ago
      > The comment that it was customary to use a husband's name preceded by Mme. thus does not negate this original claim, if anything it reinforces it. We don't have anything to support or negate the idea of whether a French women could have published in her own name if she was single, or if she was married and addressed herself in a non-customary way. We just don't and the conversation never went that direction. This is in your interest to understand alone but in a conversation where nobody has provided anything. As such it will be impossible for anyone to prove or disprove your assertions, and may have to be your own area of research, alone.
  - BerislavLopac 8y ago
    "Mme" is "Madame", indicating a married woman. "Mmelle" stands for "Mademoiselle", which means an unmarried woman, and in that case it would have her own name (as there is no husband).
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empath75 8y ago

In a pedantic sense it is her own name in the sense that it was a name by which she was referred, though obviously it’s a misogynistic custom which is thankfully uncommon now.