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> Ah, but who's more likely to do these things? Look no further than the United States and its historical relationship with labor and corporations (when its go

> Ah, but who's more likely to do these things? Look no further than the United States and its historical relationship with labor and corporations (when its government was much smaller), for the reasons you just quoted. I'm not saying "big government" guarantees the opposite, but corporations have already shown us what they will do with less restrictions and oversight. They'll fill spice cans with dust and sell it as black pepper. They'll penalize break time so heavily that workers will have to defecate where they stand in the sausage plant. They'll pay as little as possible and almost-starve their employees so that they have no energy or resources to do anything except continue working.

zozbot123 8y ago
There was a time when the United States government was smaller, sure, but the country was also a lot poorer back then. And for all the poor treatment of workers that was supposedly going on, the U.S. still attracted plenty of "dirt-poor and ugly" immigrants from all over the Western world! Can't really say the same about "big-government" countries at a similar level of wealth today.
- ppseafield 8y ago
  > the country was also a lot poorer back then. So was the rest of the world, especially for those not in power. > U.S. still attracted plenty of "dirt-poor and ugly" immigrants from all over the Western world True, but also many folks' options weren't exactly great in comparison. > Can't really say the same about "big-government" countries at a similar level of wealth today. Germany, the Scandinavian countries for instance is an often-desired place for immigrants. The US is still a very desirable place for immigrants, even though the size of the government has grown.
- dgzl 8y ago
  The United States literally kicked off the transformation to the new world. We started as slaves to the crown, overthrew that tyrannical presence, and then created the most liberating government framework to date. Then we slipped back into high taxes and oppressive regulations. (Not saying all taxes and regulations are bad)

zozbot123 8y ago

There was a time when the United States government was smaller, sure, but the country was also a lot poorer back then. And for all the poor treatment of workers that was supposedly going on, the U.S. still attracted plenty of "dirt-poor and ugly" immigrants from all over the Western world! Can't really say the same about "big-government" countries at a similar level of wealth today.

ppseafield 8y ago
> the country was also a lot poorer back then. So was the rest of the world, especially for those not in power. > U.S. still attracted plenty of "dirt-poor and ugly" immigrants from all over the Western world True, but also many folks' options weren't exactly great in comparison. > Can't really say the same about "big-government" countries at a similar level of wealth today. Germany, the Scandinavian countries for instance is an often-desired place for immigrants. The US is still a very desirable place for immigrants, even though the size of the government has grown.
dgzl 8y ago
The United States literally kicked off the transformation to the new world. We started as slaves to the crown, overthrew that tyrannical presence, and then created the most liberating government framework to date. Then we slipped back into high taxes and oppressive regulations. (Not saying all taxes and regulations are bad)