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I wrote my post with complete awareness of the fact that neo-nazis, and others like them, exist. I don't really see what your comment adds to the discussion. Y

I wrote my post with complete awareness of the fact that neo-nazis, and others like them, exist. I don't really see what your comment adds to the discussion. Yes, some of the ideas are objectively bad. That doesn't mean there isn't a growing censorship movement, which incidentally often uses "nazi" lingo as an excuse to selectively silence people. Also note that I gave a nod to, and firmly believe in, not inciting violence as a core tenet of free speech. Nazis can believe whatever vile shit they want to, as long as they don't act on it.

fzeroracer 8y ago
Have you considered that we see the growing use of Nazi lingo because the amount of violence being committed by neo-nazis is rising? You can say 'believe whatever you want', but what we've clearly seen is that belief turning into action. This in turn is why platforms are taking action against them.
- orthecreedence 8y ago
  > Have you considered that we see the growing use of Nazi lingo because the amount of violence being committed by neo-nazis is rising? I think the rise in calling other people Nazis is more a symptom of political polarization than of a resurgence of violent national socialist gangs. To that end, I think the media itself is vastly more culpable than r/the_donald or gab. Are they organizing and rallying more? Yeah, it seems so. Does censoring them on youtube or patreon keep them from organizing? No...but it does smell of the beginnings of what the communist which hunt was 70 years ago, and the collateral damage that came with it. When everyone starts banning Nazis, then the answer to "What actually is a Nazi?" becomes "anything I do not like."
  - afuchs 8y ago
    There has been a large increase in hate crimes in the United States in the last few years. The issue of censorship is deeply nuanced (i.e. the paradox of tolerance). On one hand, there is the problem of "what if the tables are flipped," and how different marginalized groups are treated. Unfortunately, giving fringe viewpoints platforms and openly debating them actually encourages people to support those viewpoints despite any factual evidence against them. People with fringe viewpoints know this and will often, disingenuously, seek to publicize their views through open debate so they can convert other people into supporters.
    - XorNot 8y ago
      If the tables were flipped is never a problem in this car because it has an obvious answer: you would be murdered.

fzeroracer 8y ago

Have you considered that we see the growing use of Nazi lingo because the amount of violence being committed by neo-nazis is rising? You can say 'believe whatever you want', but what we've clearly seen is that belief turning into action. This in turn is why platforms are taking action against them.

orthecreedence 8y ago
> Have you considered that we see the growing use of Nazi lingo because the amount of violence being committed by neo-nazis is rising? I think the rise in calling other people Nazis is more a symptom of political polarization than of a resurgence of violent national socialist gangs. To that end, I think the media itself is vastly more culpable than r/the_donald or gab. Are they organizing and rallying more? Yeah, it seems so. Does censoring them on youtube or patreon keep them from organizing? No...but it does smell of the beginnings of what the communist which hunt was 70 years ago, and the collateral damage that came with it. When everyone starts banning Nazis, then the answer to "What actually is a Nazi?" becomes "anything I do not like."
- afuchs 8y ago
  There has been a large increase in hate crimes in the United States in the last few years. The issue of censorship is deeply nuanced (i.e. the paradox of tolerance). On one hand, there is the problem of "what if the tables are flipped," and how different marginalized groups are treated. Unfortunately, giving fringe viewpoints platforms and openly debating them actually encourages people to support those viewpoints despite any factual evidence against them. People with fringe viewpoints know this and will often, disingenuously, seek to publicize their views through open debate so they can convert other people into supporters.
  - XorNot 8y ago
    If the tables were flipped is never a problem in this car because it has an obvious answer: you would be murdered.