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Good question. I've found a transcript published by patreon: https://patreonhq.com/hate-speech-on-patreon-a9026e52c2cf?gi=fe9f9484291a https://patreonhq.com/

Good question. I've found a transcript published by patreon: https://patreonhq.com/hate-speech-on-patreon-a9026e52c2cf?gi=fe9f9484291a https://patreonhq.com/hate-speech-on-patreon-a9026e52c2cf?gi... It's... pretty vitriolic. I'm not totally comfortable with even quoting the redacted version, but here goes nothing: >“I just can’t be bothered with people who chose to treat me like this. It’s really annoying. Like, I — . You’re acting like a bunch of n_____s, just so you know. You act like white n_____s. Exactly how you describe black people acting is the impression I get dealing with the Alt Right. I’m really, I’m just not in the mood to deal with this kind of disrespect.” >“Look, you carry on, but don’t expect me to then have a debate with one of your f__gots.…Like why would I bother?…Maybe you’re just acting like a n____r, mate? Have you considered that? Do you think white people act like this? White people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another, and you guys can’t even act like white people, it’s really amazing to me.”

pavel_lishin 8y ago
Reading this as a straight white guy, the slurs aren't as offensive as the whole underlying philosophy and line of thinking. Although I like that the No True Scotsman fallacy leaking through the cracks.
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- leereeves 8y ago
  Was he espousing this philosophy or merely using the philosophy of his audience to say: "even by your own philosophy, you're wrong"? But "white people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another" is so counterfactual it's hard to imagine anyone actually believes that.
- danso 8y ago
  The slurs seem more like a natural symptom of him thinking that black people act subhuman.
  - EpicEng 8y ago
    I see him throwing the slurs people in his stream are using back at them. >Exactly how you describe black people acting is the impression I get dealing with the Alt Right. I’m really, I’m just not in the mood to deal with this kind of disrespect.” He's saying that these people are acting in exactly the manner they are accusing others of acting, and he's using their slurs to make the comparison.
    - danso 8y ago
      Yeah no. > Maybe you’re just acting like a n____r, mate? Have you considered that? Do you think white people act like this? White people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another, and you guys can’t even act like white people, it’s really amazing to me.
      - microcolonel 8y ago
        He's speaking from their perspective, clearly.
        darkpuma 8y ago
        I think that's plausible but ambiguous.
        microcolonel 8y ago
        It's about as ambiguous as whether you are a secret racist. This guy is arguing directly against out-and-out unabashed racists in the conversation. How much more anti-racist does one have to be in order to make it not "ambiguous" in your eyes?
        darkpuma 8y ago
        I think that particular sentence out of context is objectively ambiguous, since that particular sentence isn't qualified with some sort of arguendo disclaimer... In context, it seems much less ambiguous. There are a lot of people in this thread who are reading that comment as unambiguously racist. Maybe some of them are being intellectually dishonest, but I think at least some of them aren't. Generally speaking when multiple people read the same sentence and walk away with wildly different notions about what the speaker's intent was, that's an indication that ambiguous language is present.
verall 8y ago
Thank you for posting this. Talking about Nazis or not, I don't really think this is defensible. It comes off like some kind of intra-nazi scuffle. > "White people are meant to be respectful... you guys can't act like white people" This is a racist statement. I dont want to call him a racist, because "racist" should be a descriptor of actions and not an identity. Instead, he sounds like someone who has little remorse for making racist statements.
StavrosK 8y ago
Oh, yeah, that's bad. He's not even mentioning the words, he's just using them against white people instead of black, but the way he uses them is still meant as an insult. Oops.
- tomp 8y ago
  But it would be ok if he were black, right? After all, black people are free to use the n-word at will...
  - danso 8y ago
    You believe it’s an unfair privilege that they have?
    - tomp 8y ago
      No, it's unprincipled.
  - StavrosK 8y ago
    No, it's still shitty towards blacks if a black person says it, but I'm not going to get offended on their behalf in that case.
    - tomp 8y ago
      But you're happy to be offended on behalf of black people when a white person says it? That makes no sense...
      - StavrosK 8y ago
        If a friend of mine calls someone else a "fag" jokingly, I will tell them that's not acceptable and to cut it the fuck out, as I don't like implying that being gay is a negative. If a gay person does it, it's on them. Insulting a group from the inside is very different from insulting it from the outside.
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korethr 8y ago
I can't deny, that's uncomfortable to read. Stepping back from my discomfort, and trying to understand the context in which that statement was made, the impression I get is that he's using white-supremacist stereotypes of white_people==good and black_people==bad against white supremacists. If a white supremacist holds a worldview that white people are polite and civil, and black people are the opposite, then it seems to me there is no more just and cutting insult to a white supremacist than to point out to said white supremacist that he is acting not like the paragon of white virtue he imagines himself to be, but like the black stereotypes he denigrates. The video clip linked downthread seems to support this. IMO, this falls into the same bucket as feminists using the misogynist language of male chauvinists against them, or pointing out to a homophobe he's acting like his negative stereotype of LGBTQ people. That is, more generally, pointing out to a bigot his hypocrisy. But if use of slurs generally associated with negative stereotypes is verboten, period, regardless of context, that worries me. There is no better way to take down bigots than to call to light the inconsistency of their ideas and hypocrisy of their behavior. And if someone who'd call out bigots can't do that safely, you've taken away a powerful tool for fighting bigotry. Worse, if you do it inconsistently, you've just handed bigots a powerful rhetorical weapon, for now they can point out your own hypocrisy to cut down your anti-bigotry position.
- makomk 8y ago
  It sounds like he's also referencing the old and tired racist tactic of arguing that they don't hate black people, just the ones who are "acting like niggers", and turning that argument back on the people who use it. (Also, the use of slurs isn't verboten period. It's still - so far as I can tell - within the bounds of publicly-acceptable discourse for people with the correct political views to refer to black people with the wrong, conservative views as "niggers" and every other slur. Possibly even whilst threatening violence against them.)

pavel_lishin 8y ago

Reading this as a straight white guy, the slurs aren't as offensive as the whole underlying philosophy and line of thinking. Although I like that the No True Scotsman fallacy leaking through the cracks.

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leereeves 8y ago
Was he espousing this philosophy or merely using the philosophy of his audience to say: "even by your own philosophy, you're wrong"? But "white people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another" is so counterfactual it's hard to imagine anyone actually believes that.
danso 8y ago
The slurs seem more like a natural symptom of him thinking that black people act subhuman.
- EpicEng 8y ago
  I see him throwing the slurs people in his stream are using back at them. >Exactly how you describe black people acting is the impression I get dealing with the Alt Right. I’m really, I’m just not in the mood to deal with this kind of disrespect.” He's saying that these people are acting in exactly the manner they are accusing others of acting, and he's using their slurs to make the comparison.
  - danso 8y ago
    Yeah no. > Maybe you’re just acting like a n____r, mate? Have you considered that? Do you think white people act like this? White people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another, and you guys can’t even act like white people, it’s really amazing to me.
    - microcolonel 8y ago
      He's speaking from their perspective, clearly.
      - darkpuma 8y ago
        I think that's plausible but ambiguous.
        microcolonel 8y ago
        It's about as ambiguous as whether you are a secret racist. This guy is arguing directly against out-and-out unabashed racists in the conversation. How much more anti-racist does one have to be in order to make it not "ambiguous" in your eyes?
        darkpuma 8y ago
        I think that particular sentence out of context is objectively ambiguous, since that particular sentence isn't qualified with some sort of arguendo disclaimer... In context, it seems much less ambiguous. There are a lot of people in this thread who are reading that comment as unambiguously racist. Maybe some of them are being intellectually dishonest, but I think at least some of them aren't. Generally speaking when multiple people read the same sentence and walk away with wildly different notions about what the speaker's intent was, that's an indication that ambiguous language is present.

verall 8y ago

Thank you for posting this. Talking about Nazis or not, I don't really think this is defensible. It comes off like some kind of intra-nazi scuffle. > "White people are meant to be respectful... you guys can't act like white people" This is a racist statement. I dont want to call him a racist, because "racist" should be a descriptor of actions and not an identity. Instead, he sounds like someone who has little remorse for making racist statements.

StavrosK 8y ago

Oh, yeah, that's bad. He's not even mentioning the words, he's just using them against white people instead of black, but the way he uses them is still meant as an insult. Oops.

tomp 8y ago
But it would be ok if he were black, right? After all, black people are free to use the n-word at will...
- danso 8y ago
  You believe it’s an unfair privilege that they have?
  - tomp 8y ago
    No, it's unprincipled.
- StavrosK 8y ago
  No, it's still shitty towards blacks if a black person says it, but I'm not going to get offended on their behalf in that case.
  - tomp 8y ago
    But you're happy to be offended on behalf of black people when a white person says it? That makes no sense...
    - StavrosK 8y ago
      If a friend of mine calls someone else a "fag" jokingly, I will tell them that's not acceptable and to cut it the fuck out, as I don't like implying that being gay is a negative. If a gay person does it, it's on them. Insulting a group from the inside is very different from insulting it from the outside.
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korethr 8y ago

I can't deny, that's uncomfortable to read. Stepping back from my discomfort, and trying to understand the context in which that statement was made, the impression I get is that he's using white-supremacist stereotypes of white_people==good and black_people==bad against white supremacists. If a white supremacist holds a worldview that white people are polite and civil, and black people are the opposite, then it seems to me there is no more just and cutting insult to a white supremacist than to point out to said white supremacist that he is acting not like the paragon of white virtue he imagines himself to be, but like the black stereotypes he denigrates. The video clip linked downthread seems to support this. IMO, this falls into the same bucket as feminists using the misogynist language of male chauvinists against them, or pointing out to a homophobe he's acting like his negative stereotype of LGBTQ people. That is, more generally, pointing out to a bigot his hypocrisy. But if use of slurs generally associated with negative stereotypes is verboten, period, regardless of context, that worries me. There is no better way to take down bigots than to call to light the inconsistency of their ideas and hypocrisy of their behavior. And if someone who'd call out bigots can't do that safely, you've taken away a powerful tool for fighting bigotry. Worse, if you do it inconsistently, you've just handed bigots a powerful rhetorical weapon, for now they can point out your own hypocrisy to cut down your anti-bigotry position.

makomk 8y ago
It sounds like he's also referencing the old and tired racist tactic of arguing that they don't hate black people, just the ones who are "acting like niggers", and turning that argument back on the people who use it. (Also, the use of slurs isn't verboten period. It's still - so far as I can tell - within the bounds of publicly-acceptable discourse for people with the correct political views to refer to black people with the wrong, conservative views as "niggers" and every other slur. Possibly even whilst threatening violence against them.)