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Please lets not assassinate Florian Leibert character based off of the uncorroborated evidence of a single individual. Noirin obviously has some strong opinion

by iopuy 16y ago

Please lets not assassinate Florian Leibert character based off of the uncorroborated evidence of a single individual. Noirin obviously has some strong opinions regarding gender and technology and I pray that these haven't had any role in this matter. Her Geek Feminism affiliations - http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Heroes_Women_in_FOSS http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Heroes_Women_in_FOSS Her involvement in the org.apache.women group - http://markmail.org/message/dwdadluiapbg5qrs http://markmail.org/message/dwdadluiapbg5qrs A blog entry about her divorce that pretty much blames it all on her husbands health. - http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cm9PvCvek70J:www.linuxchix.org/aggregator/sources/26+noirin+Plunkett+sex&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cm9PvCv...

follower 16y ago
Just to clarify for those who may not click through and read the links posted by the newly created "iopuy" account: > Her Geek Feminism affiliations - http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Heroes_Women_in_FOSS http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Heroes_Women_in_FOSS A web page created by Kirrily Robert (a.k.a skud) who was liveblogging a talk by Pia Waugh entitled "Heroes: Women in FOSS" at OSCON 2008. On that page in a list entitled "We gots hackers: a list of women" Noirin Plunkett's name appears along with ten other women. > Her involvement in the org.apache.women group - http://markmail.org/message/dwdadluiapbg5qrs http://markmail.org/message/dwdadluiapbg5qrs In which, amongst other things she asks if the charter for the group "could replace every instance of 'women' with a word that includes both genders - 'people', 'newbies', 'interested proto-participants', anything that's not discriminatory." and concludes with: """ If we can make the ASF a more open, comfortable, easy-to-work-in environment, everyone wins. I understand that it's very easy for a group of women to focus on helping other women - it's easier to put ourselves in the shoes of those who are similar to us. And I'm certainly not saying we should insist on fixing everything at once. However, I do think we should start the way we mean to go on, and that, to me, requires a much more inclusive charter. """ > A blog entry about her divorce that pretty much blames it all on her husbands health. - http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cm9PvCvek70J:www.linuxchix.org/aggregator/sources/26+noirin+Plunkett+sex&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cm9PvCv... And also links to a blog by her ex-husband wherein he says "How Noirin lasted so long, i’ll never understand. She’s amazing." I don't want anybody in the tech community to die at the hand of character assassination, Florian, Noirin, you or me.
- iopuy 16y ago
  " I don't want anybody in the tech community to die at the hand of character assassination, Florian, Noirin, you or me. " Absolutely right, that's why it is so important we have ALL that facts before arriving at a conclusion.
ajays 16y ago
Wait... whut? She has strong opinions about gender, etc. so we shouldn't believe her? Occam's Razor, man! Use it! Why in the world would she blame this dude out of the blue? What does she possibly have to gain? Several commentators have mentioned the possibility of false allegations, along with anecdotes. But pay close attention to those incidents: in all of them, there was some prior relationship between the women making the false allegation and the guy. If this was the case here, there would be a dozen witnesses who could punch a hole in her claims. She has named names in her post; a person making such a false allegation would never do that, because then her story can be cross-checked. But once again, I am shocked that you'd think that being a feminist or having strong opinions somehow makes her story less credible.
- iopuy 16y ago
  I am sorry that you feel that way however I never questioned any of her account. When did I ever say anything about being a feminist gives less credence to her story? I am shocked that you would take such a forward stand on such a small amount of information from a single source. WE HAVEN'T EVEN GIVEN HIM A CHANCE TO RESPOND! Please, I beg you, wait for all information before jumping to a conclusion, that is all I ask.
jules 16y ago
What does feminism and being part of apache.women have to do with this? True there are a couple of men-hating feminists, but read that geek feminism page, or the apace.women page. Don't those sound completely reasonable and women and men friendly? In her apache.women message she is arguing to use neutral wording ("women" -> "people")! I don't see how you could interpret that as hostile to men.
jaaron 16y ago
I know Noirin and I also know her ex-husband (they spent time on their honeymoon with my wife and I in Hong Kong). I've helped plan and run ApacheCon for years. Noirin is not one to exaggerate, she's one to call it like it is. So quit with the antagonism towards her. She's the one who was assaulted.

by iopuy 16y ago

follower 16y ago

Just to clarify for those who may not click through and read the links posted by the newly created "iopuy" account: > Her Geek Feminism affiliations - http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Heroes_Women_in_FOSS http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Heroes_Women_in_FOSS A web page created by Kirrily Robert (a.k.a skud) who was liveblogging a talk by Pia Waugh entitled "Heroes: Women in FOSS" at OSCON 2008. On that page in a list entitled "We gots hackers: a list of women" Noirin Plunkett's name appears along with ten other women. > Her involvement in the org.apache.women group - http://markmail.org/message/dwdadluiapbg5qrs http://markmail.org/message/dwdadluiapbg5qrs In which, amongst other things she asks if the charter for the group "could replace every instance of 'women' with a word that includes both genders - 'people', 'newbies', 'interested proto-participants', anything that's not discriminatory." and concludes with: """ If we can make the ASF a more open, comfortable, easy-to-work-in environment, everyone wins. I understand that it's very easy for a group of women to focus on helping other women - it's easier to put ourselves in the shoes of those who are similar to us. And I'm certainly not saying we should insist on fixing everything at once. However, I do think we should start the way we mean to go on, and that, to me, requires a much more inclusive charter. """ > A blog entry about her divorce that pretty much blames it all on her husbands health. - http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cm9PvCvek70J:www.linuxchix.org/aggregator/sources/26+noirin+Plunkett+sex&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cm9PvCv... And also links to a blog by her ex-husband wherein he says "How Noirin lasted so long, i’ll never understand. She’s amazing." I don't want anybody in the tech community to die at the hand of character assassination, Florian, Noirin, you or me.

iopuy 16y ago
" I don't want anybody in the tech community to die at the hand of character assassination, Florian, Noirin, you or me. " Absolutely right, that's why it is so important we have ALL that facts before arriving at a conclusion.

ajays 16y ago

Wait... whut? She has strong opinions about gender, etc. so we shouldn't believe her? Occam's Razor, man! Use it! Why in the world would she blame this dude out of the blue? What does she possibly have to gain? Several commentators have mentioned the possibility of false allegations, along with anecdotes. But pay close attention to those incidents: in all of them, there was some prior relationship between the women making the false allegation and the guy. If this was the case here, there would be a dozen witnesses who could punch a hole in her claims. She has named names in her post; a person making such a false allegation would never do that, because then her story can be cross-checked. But once again, I am shocked that you'd think that being a feminist or having strong opinions somehow makes her story less credible.

iopuy 16y ago
I am sorry that you feel that way however I never questioned any of her account. When did I ever say anything about being a feminist gives less credence to her story? I am shocked that you would take such a forward stand on such a small amount of information from a single source. WE HAVEN'T EVEN GIVEN HIM A CHANCE TO RESPOND! Please, I beg you, wait for all information before jumping to a conclusion, that is all I ask.

jules 16y ago

What does feminism and being part of apache.women have to do with this? True there are a couple of men-hating feminists, but read that geek feminism page, or the apace.women page. Don't those sound completely reasonable and women and men friendly? In her apache.women message she is arguing to use neutral wording ("women" -> "people")! I don't see how you could interpret that as hostile to men.

jaaron 16y ago

I know Noirin and I also know her ex-husband (they spent time on their honeymoon with my wife and I in Hong Kong). I've helped plan and run ApacheCon for years. Noirin is not one to exaggerate, she's one to call it like it is. So quit with the antagonism towards her. She's the one who was assaulted.