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Well I AM glad to be able to create a more believable fake identity online. Being able to commit crimes and not get busted is just one of the many perks that co

Well I AM glad to be able to create a more believable fake identity online. Being able to commit crimes and not get busted is just one of the many perks that come with it.

no-s 8y ago
especially when the crimes were created to secure the power of the state at the expense of the individual rights, e.g. to ensure the supremacy of one class over another. Government is not synonymous with justice.
- FiveSquared 8y ago
  True, but it’s a nesscary evil man. Government is created for organizing a colleticve response. If their was a way to stop blatantly evil things like murder without the need for centralized power and centralized response, I’m all ears. Unfortunately, humans are hard-wired to create and maintain athority.
moate 8y ago
Let's just clear up my stance here: "I want to be able to create a fake identity online..." Fine. Great. Have at it! Privacy and anonymity, what marvels in this modern age! "...in order to evade the law while I commit crimes, or escape the law after my past crimes." Ehhhhh...this is a rough bit folks. Listen, you want to pitch full on class war, us vs the government "there is no just man working for the injustice of tyranny" sort of shit, that's fine. It's just that's the sort of shit that gets the government involved MUCH faster. I just feel a bit of subtlety might be better in the earlier goings. I understand that a knife can be used to make food or kill a man but you don't see most knife manufacturers advertising how quickly they can gut somebody for good reason. That's all I'm trying to say.
- c22 8y ago
  But your stance is hyperbolic because the original poster didn't say they wanted anonymity so they could commit crimes, they said they appreciated the option to "leave their past behind". Presumably if one is "in the system" they've already been caught and punished for their crime. I totally understand the desire to be able to move forward without the cloud of your past looming over you, and to be honest, I imagine the ability to do so may increase someone's chances of living the remainder of their life in an upstanding manner. Also, as you must know, a disturbingly large proportion of "ex-cons" have trumped up charges on their record or were even completely innocent as our modern judicial systems prioritize efficiency over truth.
  - moate 8y ago
    IDK, is it? "Speeding tickets can catch up to you..." Those only "catch up to you" if you're not paying them. INAL, but I'm not sure there's many situations where having paid speeding tickets is affecting your life that greatly (unless you're trying to commit insurance fraud by misrepresenting your past). Again, I get the idea that there are people who are failed by the system and the way they're forced to right this wrong is by pretending to be someone new. I'm not even opposed to the idea! But OP is doing a terrible selling the idea to people who aren't on board by framing it that way. I don't even think you need to pointedly obtuse to construe his statement the way I did. If you're going to say "this tool is helpful because the system itself is problematic and possibly corrupted to the point that in the near future the best solution is to circumvent the system rather than reforming it" you need to work pretty hard to pitch that to a mainstream crowd. Edited addendum: While OP didn't say they want the ability to commit crimes, it took about 20 minutes before a different poster literally said he did, so the intent/desire is out there and pretty obvious.
    - whatshisface 8y ago
      >Edited addendum: While OP didn't say they want the ability to commit crimes, it took about 20 minutes before a different poster literally said he did, so the intent/desire is out there and pretty obvious. Moate, I checked your profile, but I don't see your name or address. I shudder to imagine the obvious intent/desire that implies. I question whether or not society will stand once the reign of terror you are planning has run its course.
      - moate 8y ago
        Yeesh. Pretty far leap from my observation that someone literally stated they welcome this technology because it allows them to commit crimes (They said this, it's in the thread, go look it up) and my lack of identifying information. I'll take it that I may have misconstrued the OP intent. Might have clutched my pearls a bit too quickly. However... I think it's naive to think that certain technology doesn't enable criminal behavior. Cash currency is one such technology. It's much more difficult to trace than online money, and is thus preferred by certain criminal elements. It's also perfectly reasonable to say that we shouldn't outlaw cash because it's used by criminals. There's tons of legitimate reasons why people would want and prefer cash. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and all that. I accept that crimes will be committed. But it's a horrible marketing choice to list it as a selling point/advantage to your technology. I'm fine with this facial amalgam stuff. I think being anon is great! But maybe hyping the "Finally I can do all this illegal shit I've been held back from due to evil oversight" isn't the right choice?
drusepth 8y ago
I honestly can't tell if this is satirical or not, but I hope so.

Well I AM glad to be able to create a more believable fake identity online. Being able to commit crimes and not get busted is just one of the many perks that come with it.

no-s 8y ago

especially when the crimes were created to secure the power of the state at the expense of the individual rights, e.g. to ensure the supremacy of one class over another. Government is not synonymous with justice.

FiveSquared 8y ago
True, but it’s a nesscary evil man. Government is created for organizing a colleticve response. If their was a way to stop blatantly evil things like murder without the need for centralized power and centralized response, I’m all ears. Unfortunately, humans are hard-wired to create and maintain athority.

moate 8y ago

Let's just clear up my stance here: "I want to be able to create a fake identity online..." Fine. Great. Have at it! Privacy and anonymity, what marvels in this modern age! "...in order to evade the law while I commit crimes, or escape the law after my past crimes." Ehhhhh...this is a rough bit folks. Listen, you want to pitch full on class war, us vs the government "there is no just man working for the injustice of tyranny" sort of shit, that's fine. It's just that's the sort of shit that gets the government involved MUCH faster. I just feel a bit of subtlety might be better in the earlier goings. I understand that a knife can be used to make food or kill a man but you don't see most knife manufacturers advertising how quickly they can gut somebody for good reason. That's all I'm trying to say.

c22 8y ago
But your stance is hyperbolic because the original poster didn't say they wanted anonymity so they could commit crimes, they said they appreciated the option to "leave their past behind". Presumably if one is "in the system" they've already been caught and punished for their crime. I totally understand the desire to be able to move forward without the cloud of your past looming over you, and to be honest, I imagine the ability to do so may increase someone's chances of living the remainder of their life in an upstanding manner. Also, as you must know, a disturbingly large proportion of "ex-cons" have trumped up charges on their record or were even completely innocent as our modern judicial systems prioritize efficiency over truth.
- moate 8y ago
  IDK, is it? "Speeding tickets can catch up to you..." Those only "catch up to you" if you're not paying them. INAL, but I'm not sure there's many situations where having paid speeding tickets is affecting your life that greatly (unless you're trying to commit insurance fraud by misrepresenting your past). Again, I get the idea that there are people who are failed by the system and the way they're forced to right this wrong is by pretending to be someone new. I'm not even opposed to the idea! But OP is doing a terrible selling the idea to people who aren't on board by framing it that way. I don't even think you need to pointedly obtuse to construe his statement the way I did. If you're going to say "this tool is helpful because the system itself is problematic and possibly corrupted to the point that in the near future the best solution is to circumvent the system rather than reforming it" you need to work pretty hard to pitch that to a mainstream crowd. Edited addendum: While OP didn't say they want the ability to commit crimes, it took about 20 minutes before a different poster literally said he did, so the intent/desire is out there and pretty obvious.
  - whatshisface 8y ago
    >Edited addendum: While OP didn't say they want the ability to commit crimes, it took about 20 minutes before a different poster literally said he did, so the intent/desire is out there and pretty obvious. Moate, I checked your profile, but I don't see your name or address. I shudder to imagine the obvious intent/desire that implies. I question whether or not society will stand once the reign of terror you are planning has run its course.
    - moate 8y ago
      Yeesh. Pretty far leap from my observation that someone literally stated they welcome this technology because it allows them to commit crimes (They said this, it's in the thread, go look it up) and my lack of identifying information. I'll take it that I may have misconstrued the OP intent. Might have clutched my pearls a bit too quickly. However... I think it's naive to think that certain technology doesn't enable criminal behavior. Cash currency is one such technology. It's much more difficult to trace than online money, and is thus preferred by certain criminal elements. It's also perfectly reasonable to say that we shouldn't outlaw cash because it's used by criminals. There's tons of legitimate reasons why people would want and prefer cash. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and all that. I accept that crimes will be committed. But it's a horrible marketing choice to list it as a selling point/advantage to your technology. I'm fine with this facial amalgam stuff. I think being anon is great! But maybe hyping the "Finally I can do all this illegal shit I've been held back from due to evil oversight" isn't the right choice?

drusepth 8y ago

I honestly can't tell if this is satirical or not, but I hope so.