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I obviously prefer to use native apps as well, but your comment sounds like some sort of bizarre moral judgement, not a rational programming decision.

by woah 8y ago

interfixus 8y ago
You are probably right, I'm being highly subjective. I loathe the entirety of Electron & consorts with real passion, retrograde, unfashionable bittweaker that I am.
de_watcher 8y ago
Especially when the OS vendors are at fault by each pushing their own API for the same thing to wall their gardens. We can only defeat that by having another awkward "OS" in a VM which browser/electron is.
- yakubin 8y ago
  Or, as jacoblambda wrote several comments above, just use Qt.
- deleted 8y ago
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- Analemma_ 8y ago
  I don’t like walled gardens any more than the next guy, but it’s easy to push this argument into absurd territory. Are OS vendors required to offer identical APIs, to the point where it’s immoral for them to have differentiated functionality and useful features? What is even the point of having different operating systems then?
  - kitsunesoba 8y ago
    Common APIs between operating systems also introduce the common denominator problem: if OS vendor A wants to add some cool new API for third party devs to use, they have to wait until other OS vendors also implement that API, otherwise they risk other OS vendors never implementing it and devs never using the API.
TeMPOraL 8y ago
In a way, it is a moral issue. By choosing to go the Electron way, you're imposing a huge computational penalty on your users, just to make your life easier. Now multiply the overhead by the number of users, and that's how much electricity your decision just cost globally. This also manifests in frustration, like due to decreased battery life on laptops. And with enough popular software written this way, this pushes users to replace their perfectly good computers earlier than necessary. (The lats point applies to web bloat even more; I'm really annoyed when a non-tech person asks me for help, because their computer "works slow, it must have viruses", only for me to discover that the computer is perfectly fine, it's just their favorite pages went through another rewrite and are now each 5x more bloated than they used to be.)

I obviously prefer to use native apps as well, but your comment sounds like some sort of bizarre moral judgement, not a rational programming decision.

by woah 8y ago

I obviously prefer to use native apps as well, but your comment sounds like some sort of bizarre moral judgement, not a rational programming decision.

interfixus 8y ago

You are probably right, I'm being highly subjective. I loathe the entirety of Electron & consorts with real passion, retrograde, unfashionable bittweaker that I am.

de_watcher 8y ago

Especially when the OS vendors are at fault by each pushing their own API for the same thing to wall their gardens. We can only defeat that by having another awkward "OS" in a VM which browser/electron is.

yakubin 8y ago
Or, as jacoblambda wrote several comments above, just use Qt.
deleted 8y ago
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Analemma_ 8y ago
I don’t like walled gardens any more than the next guy, but it’s easy to push this argument into absurd territory. Are OS vendors required to offer identical APIs, to the point where it’s immoral for them to have differentiated functionality and useful features? What is even the point of having different operating systems then?
- kitsunesoba 8y ago
  Common APIs between operating systems also introduce the common denominator problem: if OS vendor A wants to add some cool new API for third party devs to use, they have to wait until other OS vendors also implement that API, otherwise they risk other OS vendors never implementing it and devs never using the API.

TeMPOraL 8y ago

In a way, it is a moral issue. By choosing to go the Electron way, you're imposing a huge computational penalty on your users, just to make your life easier. Now multiply the overhead by the number of users, and that's how much electricity your decision just cost globally. This also manifests in frustration, like due to decreased battery life on laptops. And with enough popular software written this way, this pushes users to replace their perfectly good computers earlier than necessary. (The lats point applies to web bloat even more; I'm really annoyed when a non-tech person asks me for help, because their computer "works slow, it must have viruses", only for me to discover that the computer is perfectly fine, it's just their favorite pages went through another rewrite and are now each 5x more bloated than they used to be.)