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One important thing it doesn't discuss is the insane AWS costs compared to the other clouds and even regular self-managed solutions running on cheap VPSes and d
by bufferoverflow 8y ago
One important thing it doesn't discuss is the insane AWS costs compared to the other clouds and even regular self-managed solutions running on cheap VPSes and dedicated servers.
- aviv 8y agoUnless your product is similar to Dropbox or a side project for fun and giggles, anyone complaining about "insane" AWS costs is building a product with no viable business opportunity, or just doesn't understand all the direct and indirect costs associated with running and maintaining infrastructure in-house.
- scurvy 8y agoClouds are cheap for CPU. They're really expensive for storage and network. Most services still need to store bits and send bits, viable or not.
- GordonS 8y agoI disagree that they are cheap for CPU - compared to AWS, GCP and Azure, you get much more for your money with a VPS.
- late2part 8y agoWhat are you going on about man? Plenty of companies find AWS at various stages of growth and profitability. When a company chooses to trade velocity for margin varies, and with the looming recession, will likely have different patterns. So many startup wannabes have never lived in a funding scarce environment where costs really matter.
- InGodsName 8y agoWhen you get network level ddos on digital ocean, they can't save you. This rules out small clouds for us. So, we use GCP Azure AWS exclusively because of their ability to defy network level ddos.
- NicoJuicy 8y agoPut cloudflare in front then, you can use it with Digital Ocean. So you're saved then.
- brazzledazzle 8y agoOr Akamai’s mitigation services if you can afford it. I’m curious how big that value proposition is these days. I wonder how much DDoS it takes before a cloud provider starts dropping a customer’s packets now. Do they even bother anymore?
- dpflan 8y agoThis is an interesting point. Did you originally use a non network-level-ddos-defying CSP and then switch? I am curious when this became a variable to consider as an item to explicitly pay more for (e.g. going from AWS Shield standard to advanced or picking big-3 CSP with higher price because of DDOS-protection) / when the inflection point in the business where DDOS-protection is now a serious consideration due to financial impact/user impact occurred (if possible to point to).
- InGodsName 8y agoYes, we used baremetal and digital ocean before that. Why? Mostly because of cost and it seemed simple than building out stuff on cloud services. Every Friday night, our services got ddosed by our competitors. Provider would nullroute our IPs and our service goes down We struggled with it a lot since we were not big enough to afford a premium ddos solution. Once we realized that big cloud like aws, gcp do not suffer from this, we had to make a switch.
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- altmind 8y agoHow do you manage to mitigate a DDOS on a public cloud? When you say GCP, Azure and AWS have the capacity to defy the ddos, what capacity are you reffering to? Are you talking about actually scaling and serving the bogus requests? Or capacity to have enoough bandwith and firewall power to fend it off?
- Thaxll 8y agoOther VPS like DO are toys in enterprise they don't offer anything useful, you get cheap VPS but that's it, DO is good for home side project.
- closeparen 8y agoUntil very recently, cheap VPS providers did not offer private networking between customer VMs, making them a completely different animal.