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no one intentionally cripples anything. what you are saying is you want lack of choice in the marketplace, and everyone should conform to your usecase. I got a
by a11595 8y ago
no one intentionally cripples anything. what you are saying is you want lack of choice in the marketplace, and everyone should conform to your usecase.
I got a pixel2 xl. like my dell, it charges via usb-c. a have a bt headset I use for both the laptop and the phone. The lack of cable, especially when I travel and sleep on a plane with music playing, is important. That 1mm of saved space? I'll take it - I wouldn't be using the headphone port anywise.
You - go buy any of the hundreds of phones with the heaphone port you want. No one is stopping you.
They're not crippling anything. They just don't care about you not buying their product, because when I looked to buy mine, I specifically looked for phones with just a usb-c port. like my laptop. for every one of you, there are one of me (probably more).
Do you complain a lexus is not good for moving couches? Or do you buy something else? Your line of reasoning is the middle finger to the consumer. What Google and Apple did are what I, their consumer wants.
- cibyr 8y agoAs far as I can tell, if you want timely security updates on your smartphone you can buy one of: iPhone XR, iPhone XS, Pixel 3, Pixel 3 XL. No headphone jacks on any of those. How's that for "choice in the marketplace"?
- culot 8y agoSony's Xperia flagships are quite regular with their monthly updates. I think they've also ditched the headphone jack in their latest models though. For a while it seemed like they'd hold out against glass backs and dropping jacks. But no.
- temp0876456 8y ago+1 for Sony Xperia. I had one until it fell out of my pocket on a lake (always wondered how long it operated being waterproof). That was my first and last Android phone however. If you think Android is a decent OS try removing Google from it. If you are ok with Android, Sony hardware is good. Was my second favorite phone vs my X. The screen was 4K and the audio was great for a phone. It was on the heavy side but well built. Lots of battery.
- culot 8y ago> If you think Android is a decent OS try removing Google from it. Actually that was one of my favorite things about my Xperia XZ1 Compact: running LineageOS without Google services. The battery life was insane, like 10-12 hours of screen-on time. I simply did not have to think about charging the thing; I'd charge it every 2-3 days. Having a device that I could readily bootloader unlock that also has official AOSP support complete with device trees direct from Sony was such a refreshing change for me after years of hacking together homemade device trees for various LG devices. I regret trading that phone for an LG G7, with its mediocre battery life, heavily bloated, laggy software, and precarious glass build -- also cannot ever be bootloader unlocked, and even if it could you'd have to rely on some community approximation for the device trees, forfeiting fully-functional camera support.
- x0x0 8y agoSony mostly only commits for 2 years from launch for security updates. I only know because I'm looking for an Android that gets at least 3 years of security updates which seems reasonable for $800 phones, and I'd prefer it not to be a Pixel... https://www.androidpit.com/sony-xperia-official-android-update-policy https://www.androidpit.com/sony-xperia-official-android-upda...
- dingaling 8y agoWhy an arbitrary three years? I've largely stopped bothering with Android system security updates due to soft-bricking and just concentrate on keeping browser / e-mail and other Internet apps updated.
- x0x0 8y agoHonestly, because my phones seem to last about 3 years (battery life, wear and tear, etc) so I'm fine without it lasting longer. I currently have a 2y3m old HTC 10 that is a fine phone just no longer receiving security updates (for at least 6 months now) and I'm very very annoyed about it. Apple seems to be the only game in town for more than 3 years from date of launch. Plan B is accept that Android is just second tier stuff and buy a $350 Poco and accept binning perfectly fine hardware because it's so cheap that the price works out.
- culot 8y agoI know Samsung does offer security updates for devices >2 years old. I have a Galaxy Note 4 that got 3 years of updates. They weren't monthly, but were fairly regular(1). It does appear that this is common for Samsung flagships, but probably differs depending on variant. (1) https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-28899 https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-28899
- x0x0 8y agoThanks for sharing. I couldn't find any commitment on Samsung's part which is weird -- if you're doing the work, brag about it!
- sfifs 8y agoSamsung flagship devices get frequent security updates. In my experience, the hardware integration and service center support is far superior to Pixel and on the software side, Android even with Samsung's add on crap far and away superior to iOS.
- x0x0 8y agoSamsung isn't listed on the Android Enterprise Recommended [1] (ie the pretty pretty please just don't buy all your employes iphones because Apple actually update them) list... [1] https://www.android.com/enterprise/recommended/ https://www.android.com/enterprise/recommended/
- sfifs 8y agoNever heard of any of these phones actually but have personally used the top of the line Galaxy S series phones for many years and the older ones still get regular security updates. S7, S8 and S9 in particular have been distinctly superior to iPhones - I personally found iPhones to be very clunky virtually unusable compared to these.
- usaphp 8y agoOlder iPhones with headphone jack are getting the same security updates as XR and XS.
- imron 8y agoNope. I have a 4s, and that hasn't seen any updates in over 2 years.
- votepaunchy 8y agoThere were six years of hardware and software updates between the 4S and Xs/Xr!
- scarface74 8y agoHe didn’t say all older phones. Currently the iPhone 5s, 6, 6 plus, 6s, 6s plus and SE all are still getting security updates. The iPhone 5s was introduced in 2013.
- walterbell 8y agoNokia 6/7 and Blackberry KeyOne have headphone jacks and receive monthly security updates (AndroidOne).
- a11595 8y agoyou are now bringing up another feature you'd like in a phone (also a feature I don't care about btw, nor do most others). you'd like a phone with both of those features. how about an sd card and removable battery? I also don't care about those. so, for whatever features you want, there is a phone. there are hundreds of phones. when you start combining them, you are personalizing a phone. products are made for target markets. that's why people customize cars. get a phone with a jack, put your own android on it, update it when it's updated. done. If you want a large company to make something specifically for you, with the combination of exact features you want - they don't. same for cars. same for coffee makers.
- pmezard 8y agoSecurity updates are an optional feature ? Are security devices optional features for cars (and I am not talking about collection cars or similar niche items) ? They are not in first-world countries.
- pdpi 8y agoI don’t much care about a headphone jack on my mobile, but lots of people evidently do care. It’s unambiguously an important feature (even if we don’t personally care for it). Security updates are, again unambiguously, an important feature. You might not care but plenty of people do, and there’s lots of well-documented reasons why that’s probably the saner choice. Take two big, important features, and realise you can’t have both at the same time. One of those features used to be ubiquitous, and is still present in most devices, but is being phased out. You’re damned right people who care about both feel their device choices are crippled. I don’t blame them.