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Delayed sleep phase syndrome is an ada protected disability, your employer must make reasonable accommodation. I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, b

Delayed sleep phase syndrome is an ada protected disability, your employer must make reasonable accommodation. I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but might be worth looking into.

pishpash 8y ago
Never heard of this, details?
- efoto 8y ago
  https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/14295-delayed-sleep-phase-syndrome-dsps https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/14295-delayed...
CryptoPunk 8y ago
Just goes to show that anti-discrimination laws are a ridiculous imposition of arbitrary social demands onto private contracts. We now have an enormous rule book on how people are allowed to exercise their contracting rights with other consenting adults, when the only rule that should apply is whether the terms are mutually agreed upon.
- beefield 8y ago
  I am a bit curious whether you think that people actually are capable of understanding the terms they are about to agree in any non-trivial case or just that people that do not understand the terms properly deserve every ill they get because they made contracts they did not understand? Sorry to be blunt, but you do understand that the first one makes you simply stupid in the sense that you have no clue about people's capacities (for a well defined and simple example that most people seem to get wrong even after trying hard, see [1].) And what comes to second possibility, I hope you understand you would be evil by a textbook definition[2]. So, which is it? Are you stupid or evil? Or maybe both? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evil https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evil
  - CryptoPunk 8y ago
    >>So, which is it? Are you stupid or evil? Or maybe both? You're not going to get anywhere being so close-minded and prejudicial. >>you think that people actually are capable of understanding the terms they are about to agree in any non-trivial case I think a court of law should decide whether a person provided informed consent to a contract. A jury, with time to deliberate on the specific circumstances of a case, and resorting to a large body of legal precedents that constitutes common law, is better positioned to issue a just decision than any other body that I can think of. I do not think these matters should be dealt with by populist legislation that makes blanket judgments about a huge number of diverse contracts between a diverse array of private individuals.
- matthewmacleod 8y ago
  Please don’t be so reductive. Many of us out here are pretty happy that our employers can no longer fire us on the basis of things like sexuality, religious views, or because we got pregnant.
  - CryptoPunk 8y ago
    But that's not the premise. The premise is whether we respect the right of employers to offer people jobs that let them discriminate based on sexuality, religious views, pregnancy, etc, or we do not respect that right, and use the force of law to restrict the right of consenting adults to reach any agreement they want. In a free society without these anti-discrimination laws, you could still find an employer that offers terms of employment that bars them from doing these things. The question is whether you're willing to tolerate other people choosing differently, and yea I guess some people like limiting other people's choices when they find them ideologically repulsive. I contend that people are only harming their society by rejecting freedom.
    - dsr_ 8y ago
      You're absolutely right. Any impingement on an employer's right to discriminate is ridiculous. That's why we were much more free when we had company towns with company stores and company scrip and when attempts to unionize were countered by well-trained private police. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_Unite...
      - CryptoPunk 8y ago
        >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_Unite... Thousands of people die in the US every day. The most important factor for reducing the death rate is economic development. Productivity, wages and life expectancy were rising much faster in the late 19th century, when the right to freely contract was not violated, than today, when we have hundreds of thousands of regulations instituted by nanny-states telling us what and we cannot do with other consenting adults. Occupational licensing alone costs the economy over $184 billion a year by some estimates: https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2018/12/03/study-reveals-the-billions-of-dollars-u-s-consumers-and-the-economy-lose-to-occupational-licensing/#570b104439b6 https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2018/12/03/... And what is all this centralization and Big Brother control getting us? We have a highly regulated medical system, largely subsidized at the expense of the taxpayer, and captured by highly regulated opioid-manufacturing pharmaceutical giants pushing opioids to the vulnerable, through licensed doctors, and creating the worst opioid epidemic in history: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/5/15/17355722/opioid-epidemic-doctor-pharma-insys https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/5/15/17355722/op... >>That's why we were much more free when we had company towns with company stores and company scrip In defense of the company town: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/01/in-defense-of-the-company-town.html https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/01/in... >>when attempts to unionize were countered by well-trained private police. No, attempts to blockade company premises were countered by well-trained private police. Do you know what strikers did to "scabs" who crossed to picket lines? Replacement workers needed hired protection, so that their contract freedom wouldn't be violated.

Delayed sleep phase syndrome is an ada protected disability, your employer must make reasonable accommodation. I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but might be worth looking into.

pishpash 8y ago

Never heard of this, details?

efoto 8y ago
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/14295-delayed-sleep-phase-syndrome-dsps https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/14295-delayed...

CryptoPunk 8y ago

Just goes to show that anti-discrimination laws are a ridiculous imposition of arbitrary social demands onto private contracts. We now have an enormous rule book on how people are allowed to exercise their contracting rights with other consenting adults, when the only rule that should apply is whether the terms are mutually agreed upon.

beefield 8y ago
I am a bit curious whether you think that people actually are capable of understanding the terms they are about to agree in any non-trivial case or just that people that do not understand the terms properly deserve every ill they get because they made contracts they did not understand? Sorry to be blunt, but you do understand that the first one makes you simply stupid in the sense that you have no clue about people's capacities (for a well defined and simple example that most people seem to get wrong even after trying hard, see [1].) And what comes to second possibility, I hope you understand you would be evil by a textbook definition[2]. So, which is it? Are you stupid or evil? Or maybe both? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evil https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evil
- CryptoPunk 8y ago
  >>So, which is it? Are you stupid or evil? Or maybe both? You're not going to get anywhere being so close-minded and prejudicial. >>you think that people actually are capable of understanding the terms they are about to agree in any non-trivial case I think a court of law should decide whether a person provided informed consent to a contract. A jury, with time to deliberate on the specific circumstances of a case, and resorting to a large body of legal precedents that constitutes common law, is better positioned to issue a just decision than any other body that I can think of. I do not think these matters should be dealt with by populist legislation that makes blanket judgments about a huge number of diverse contracts between a diverse array of private individuals.
matthewmacleod 8y ago
Please don’t be so reductive. Many of us out here are pretty happy that our employers can no longer fire us on the basis of things like sexuality, religious views, or because we got pregnant.
- CryptoPunk 8y ago
  But that's not the premise. The premise is whether we respect the right of employers to offer people jobs that let them discriminate based on sexuality, religious views, pregnancy, etc, or we do not respect that right, and use the force of law to restrict the right of consenting adults to reach any agreement they want. In a free society without these anti-discrimination laws, you could still find an employer that offers terms of employment that bars them from doing these things. The question is whether you're willing to tolerate other people choosing differently, and yea I guess some people like limiting other people's choices when they find them ideologically repulsive. I contend that people are only harming their society by rejecting freedom.
  - dsr_ 8y ago
    You're absolutely right. Any impingement on an employer's right to discriminate is ridiculous. That's why we were much more free when we had company towns with company stores and company scrip and when attempts to unionize were countered by well-trained private police. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_Unite...
    - CryptoPunk 8y ago
      >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_Unite... Thousands of people die in the US every day. The most important factor for reducing the death rate is economic development. Productivity, wages and life expectancy were rising much faster in the late 19th century, when the right to freely contract was not violated, than today, when we have hundreds of thousands of regulations instituted by nanny-states telling us what and we cannot do with other consenting adults. Occupational licensing alone costs the economy over $184 billion a year by some estimates: https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2018/12/03/study-reveals-the-billions-of-dollars-u-s-consumers-and-the-economy-lose-to-occupational-licensing/#570b104439b6 https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2018/12/03/... And what is all this centralization and Big Brother control getting us? We have a highly regulated medical system, largely subsidized at the expense of the taxpayer, and captured by highly regulated opioid-manufacturing pharmaceutical giants pushing opioids to the vulnerable, through licensed doctors, and creating the worst opioid epidemic in history: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/5/15/17355722/opioid-epidemic-doctor-pharma-insys https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/5/15/17355722/op... >>That's why we were much more free when we had company towns with company stores and company scrip In defense of the company town: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/01/in-defense-of-the-company-town.html https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/01/in... >>when attempts to unionize were countered by well-trained private police. No, attempts to blockade company premises were countered by well-trained private police. Do you know what strikers did to "scabs" who crossed to picket lines? Replacement workers needed hired protection, so that their contract freedom wouldn't be violated.