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Moderation is really the ultimate scalability problem. I have some level of sympathy for the predicament YouTube is in, but I really hope the system can be rede

Moderation is really the ultimate scalability problem. I have some level of sympathy for the predicament YouTube is in, but I really hope the system can be redesigned. I've never seen (keyword: seen) a press release or article about how an individual / group of DMCA abusers of this sort was arrested. Why can't this be taken more seriously as a form of fraud, and why can't these people be gone after? Sure, you can obfuscate your real IP when making a takedown request, but they have to receive the money somewhere.

whoisjuan 8y ago
I would have sympathy if they weren't so damn incompetent. You can clearly see how they fail to make a simple rational check in this guy's issue and objectively realize that it's a fraudulent claim. They only care when the issues go public and viral, and the outburst is too large to ignore. This is a disaster for any small creator that uses YouTube. A platform that controls the majority of the internet video distribution is incapable of reacting reasonably to a copyright claim issue until its large enough to actually threaten the solidity of that distribution.
dylan604 8y ago
The easiest thing to do would require the claimant and defendant to produce proof of ownership. In this case, it really seems like the claimant's case would have been over as soon as the defendant produced his proof. If there is conflicting claims of ownership that seems valid from both sides, then send to a 3rd party to decide. Whether that is arbitration or courts. Why should YouTube be responsible at all? During the term of dispute, the ability to earn money is suspended. If the defendant wins, then the claimant should be required to reimburse lost earnings. At this point, YT would have acted in a reasonable manner such that they should not have any liability in it. How naive am I being for making it seem like a really simple thing to handle?
- singularity2001 8y ago
  Sounds reasonable.
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- icebraining 8y ago
  Proof of ownership seems complicated to produce if you're a regular person uploading your own videos. What would you produce?
  - jnbiche 8y ago
    There are plenty of timestamping services out there, both blockchain-based and otherwise. If a video creator timestamps their video as soon as they create, and before they upload it, it could prove definitively these kinds of fraudulent claims. Also, these services are usually reasonably priced, and sometimes even free, so it would be reasonable to use even if you're making several videos a day.
    - jackvalentine 8y ago
      > If a video creator timestamps their video as soon as they create, and before they upload it, it could prove definitively these kinds of fraudulent claims. The immediate issue I see here is timestamping other people’s videos who produced them in the past, or for a different service, or just plain old didn’t know they needed to timestamp their video to protect it.
      - jnbiche 8y ago
        If you're goal is only to prove that you invented something before some random patent troll did, then that issue doesn't matter so much. At the least, it's very, very strong evidence for a trial. Along with also emailing your lawyer or notary public a copy of the timestamp as soon as you create it, these factors would be virtually unassailable in a court of law.
        jackvalentine 8y ago
        What’s stopping me timestamping a tonne of other people’s content before they do, and then claiming that they stole it from me? Then we’re literally back where we started - proving ownership by other means.
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- manigandham 8y ago
  What would be proof of ownership exactly?

whoisjuan 8y ago

I would have sympathy if they weren't so damn incompetent. You can clearly see how they fail to make a simple rational check in this guy's issue and objectively realize that it's a fraudulent claim. They only care when the issues go public and viral, and the outburst is too large to ignore. This is a disaster for any small creator that uses YouTube. A platform that controls the majority of the internet video distribution is incapable of reacting reasonably to a copyright claim issue until its large enough to actually threaten the solidity of that distribution.

dylan604 8y ago

The easiest thing to do would require the claimant and defendant to produce proof of ownership. In this case, it really seems like the claimant's case would have been over as soon as the defendant produced his proof. If there is conflicting claims of ownership that seems valid from both sides, then send to a 3rd party to decide. Whether that is arbitration or courts. Why should YouTube be responsible at all? During the term of dispute, the ability to earn money is suspended. If the defendant wins, then the claimant should be required to reimburse lost earnings. At this point, YT would have acted in a reasonable manner such that they should not have any liability in it. How naive am I being for making it seem like a really simple thing to handle?

singularity2001 8y ago
Sounds reasonable.
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icebraining 8y ago
Proof of ownership seems complicated to produce if you're a regular person uploading your own videos. What would you produce?
- jnbiche 8y ago
  There are plenty of timestamping services out there, both blockchain-based and otherwise. If a video creator timestamps their video as soon as they create, and before they upload it, it could prove definitively these kinds of fraudulent claims. Also, these services are usually reasonably priced, and sometimes even free, so it would be reasonable to use even if you're making several videos a day.
  - jackvalentine 8y ago
    > If a video creator timestamps their video as soon as they create, and before they upload it, it could prove definitively these kinds of fraudulent claims. The immediate issue I see here is timestamping other people’s videos who produced them in the past, or for a different service, or just plain old didn’t know they needed to timestamp their video to protect it.
    - jnbiche 8y ago
      If you're goal is only to prove that you invented something before some random patent troll did, then that issue doesn't matter so much. At the least, it's very, very strong evidence for a trial. Along with also emailing your lawyer or notary public a copy of the timestamp as soon as you create it, these factors would be virtually unassailable in a court of law.
      - jackvalentine 8y ago
        What’s stopping me timestamping a tonne of other people’s content before they do, and then claiming that they stole it from me? Then we’re literally back where we started - proving ownership by other means.
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manigandham 8y ago
What would be proof of ownership exactly?