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You can see the social erosion when you compare to a more coherent society like say japan. https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/09/why-are-little-kids-in

You can see the social erosion when you compare to a more coherent society like say japan. https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/09/why-are-little-kids-in-japan-so-independent/407590/ https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/09/why-are-littl...

icelancer 8y ago
These posts rarely point out incredibly strict immigration policies and the stark racial makeup of the countries that rely on group dynamics for rather inconvenient reasons. When you have a largely homogenous population that has been stable over decades - centuries in the case of Japan - then these types of relationships evolve.
- ilikehurdles 8y ago
  It has nothing to do with immigration. I was out walking to school, going to the bakery, sledding, etc with friends in Germany throughout the 90s from like age 6.
  - usaphp 8y ago
    Hey, I was at a war and did not get injured, now I am totally sure no one ever gets injured on wars, because I was not injured! Hey I drive my car for 30 years without a seatbelt and was never injured, it surely means that seatbelts are useless and you can’t really get injured in a car, so why even bother with protection?
    - ilikehurdles 8y ago
      > Hey, there's this deep issue that involves comparing how several vastly different nations with complex histories approach a problem. Let's take a shortcut and blame everything bad on race and immigration, because that's what we've been doing for hundreds of years and why should we stop now!
  - icelancer 8y ago
    Yes, Western European countries - particularly in the 1990s - have a much less diverse racial makeup than counterparts like the United States of America. That's exactly my point.
    - ilikehurdles 8y ago
      Germany and Western Europe generally also had a strong, nationally-funded social support system and a high quality, affordable education, which contributed to smaller socio-economic divisions and combated the rise of an impoverished class whose members would be stuck in a setting surrounded by danger and casual crime. Even those that are lucky enough to have decent education in US are often having to sacrifice their own upward mobility in order to support their homes and families at early ages. The political and media landscape in the US is blatantly, openly toxic and corrupted so severely by just a few powerful people that it feels second maybe only to the Soviet Union and despotic dictatorships. Race (and religious difference) has always been, since the foundation of the country, the thing that the ruling classes of the US blame while pillaging the commonwealth. While you may idolize ethno-nationalism, it will solve no real social problems. Racial minorities in the US have been systemically mistreated for centuries. To look at a Native American reservation today and blame its residents for their own misfortune is equivalent to ripping out 350 years worth of pages from a US History book. It's deluded. Racial minorities in the US don't choose a harder life of fewer opportunities and a tougher path to success -- they have it imposed on them by hundreds of years of force.

icelancer 8y ago

These posts rarely point out incredibly strict immigration policies and the stark racial makeup of the countries that rely on group dynamics for rather inconvenient reasons. When you have a largely homogenous population that has been stable over decades - centuries in the case of Japan - then these types of relationships evolve.

ilikehurdles 8y ago
It has nothing to do with immigration. I was out walking to school, going to the bakery, sledding, etc with friends in Germany throughout the 90s from like age 6.
- usaphp 8y ago
  Hey, I was at a war and did not get injured, now I am totally sure no one ever gets injured on wars, because I was not injured! Hey I drive my car for 30 years without a seatbelt and was never injured, it surely means that seatbelts are useless and you can’t really get injured in a car, so why even bother with protection?
  - ilikehurdles 8y ago
    > Hey, there's this deep issue that involves comparing how several vastly different nations with complex histories approach a problem. Let's take a shortcut and blame everything bad on race and immigration, because that's what we've been doing for hundreds of years and why should we stop now!
- icelancer 8y ago
  Yes, Western European countries - particularly in the 1990s - have a much less diverse racial makeup than counterparts like the United States of America. That's exactly my point.
  - ilikehurdles 8y ago
    Germany and Western Europe generally also had a strong, nationally-funded social support system and a high quality, affordable education, which contributed to smaller socio-economic divisions and combated the rise of an impoverished class whose members would be stuck in a setting surrounded by danger and casual crime. Even those that are lucky enough to have decent education in US are often having to sacrifice their own upward mobility in order to support their homes and families at early ages. The political and media landscape in the US is blatantly, openly toxic and corrupted so severely by just a few powerful people that it feels second maybe only to the Soviet Union and despotic dictatorships. Race (and religious difference) has always been, since the foundation of the country, the thing that the ruling classes of the US blame while pillaging the commonwealth. While you may idolize ethno-nationalism, it will solve no real social problems. Racial minorities in the US have been systemically mistreated for centuries. To look at a Native American reservation today and blame its residents for their own misfortune is equivalent to ripping out 350 years worth of pages from a US History book. It's deluded. Racial minorities in the US don't choose a harder life of fewer opportunities and a tougher path to success -- they have it imposed on them by hundreds of years of force.