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I agree with you that the "war on Christmas" stuff is nonsense, but you'd be surprised at how many people write off Christian persecution, based solely on the f

I agree with you that the "war on Christmas" stuff is nonsense, but you'd be surprised at how many people write off Christian persecution, based solely on the fact that some of the most powerful nations in the world are "Christian nations".

kadendogthing 8y ago
I think you think people hold such opinions, not that they actually do. It's a really contrived point that comes up in these types of conversations. Feel free to link any kind of substantial material backing up the frequency of such opinions.
- dvtrn 8y ago
  The lack of awareness on display right now is astounding and borderline offensive, people just don't hold the "opinion" that Christians are persecuted around the world, they are pointing to actual current events of Christian persecution. https://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptian-church-hit-by-bomb-blast-1491727099 https://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptian-church-hit-by-bomb-bla... https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/29-coptic-christians-murdered-on-route-to-a-monastery_us_592c632de4b0a7b7b469cc6d https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/29-coptic-christians-mu... https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/18/mosuls-christians-say-goodbye/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/18/mosuls-christians-say-g... http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/10032018 http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/10032018
  - kadendogthing 8y ago
    You have significantly misunderstood the context of the conversation. No one has said that Christians aren't persecuted around the world. No one has even implied this was the case. Because people don't hold such opinions. He is implying that people hold these opinions. I am asking for some kind of substantial material validating the frequency of such opinions. It helps to respond to the actual conversation instead of contrived strawmans. You are very much proving my point. +1 For self-awareness, it would have saved you writing out that post.
    - dvtrn 8y ago
      I am asking for some kind of substantial material validating the frequency of such opinions. What are the odds that I could go to ten different blogs from ten different Joe's from across the internet saying how bad it is for Christians in the world, come back here, link them, that you'll backpedal more to say that the sources provided aren't authoritative enough?
      - nkozyra 8y ago
        The problem seems to be conflating the notion that Christians in the US/Western nations are persecuted with the capacity for any Christian or Christian group to be persecuted elsewhere. Because it's a common response to things like the gay wedding cake and "happy holidays," etc. It's not surprising those things evoke such a dismissal. But such a dismissal is not all inclusive. Because we don't see, say, gay marriage as a persecution of Christianity doesn't mean we believe Christians are intrinsically incapable of being persecuted.
      - kadendogthing 8y ago
        The opinion he thinks people hold isn't common (or even a thing people hold as an idea in any capacity), it's a contrived straw-man designed to illicit a quick "gotchya" self win on the part of the OP. It belongs in a forwarded email, not in this forum. The poll won't yield the results you want. The prattling grandstand isn't clever, it's just a rather annoyingly insecure flamebait after you fumbled your original reply to me with links to articles that were entirely irrelevant to what was being discussed. No one believes Christians can't be persecuted. OP is conflating the dismissal of Western Christian "persecution" with somehow believing that people just don't think it can happen elsewhere. I am here to tell you that people are quite aware of the possibility of true persecution happening against any group of people, and most certainly the actual persecution of Christians elsewhere in the world. The error, however honest it may be, is his. And apparently yours too.

kadendogthing 8y ago

I think you think people hold such opinions, not that they actually do. It's a really contrived point that comes up in these types of conversations. Feel free to link any kind of substantial material backing up the frequency of such opinions.

dvtrn 8y ago
The lack of awareness on display right now is astounding and borderline offensive, people just don't hold the "opinion" that Christians are persecuted around the world, they are pointing to actual current events of Christian persecution. https://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptian-church-hit-by-bomb-blast-1491727099 https://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptian-church-hit-by-bomb-bla... https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/29-coptic-christians-murdered-on-route-to-a-monastery_us_592c632de4b0a7b7b469cc6d https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/29-coptic-christians-mu... https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/18/mosuls-christians-say-goodbye/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/18/mosuls-christians-say-g... http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/10032018 http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/10032018
- kadendogthing 8y ago
  You have significantly misunderstood the context of the conversation. No one has said that Christians aren't persecuted around the world. No one has even implied this was the case. Because people don't hold such opinions. He is implying that people hold these opinions. I am asking for some kind of substantial material validating the frequency of such opinions. It helps to respond to the actual conversation instead of contrived strawmans. You are very much proving my point. +1 For self-awareness, it would have saved you writing out that post.
  - dvtrn 8y ago
    I am asking for some kind of substantial material validating the frequency of such opinions. What are the odds that I could go to ten different blogs from ten different Joe's from across the internet saying how bad it is for Christians in the world, come back here, link them, that you'll backpedal more to say that the sources provided aren't authoritative enough?
    - nkozyra 8y ago
      The problem seems to be conflating the notion that Christians in the US/Western nations are persecuted with the capacity for any Christian or Christian group to be persecuted elsewhere. Because it's a common response to things like the gay wedding cake and "happy holidays," etc. It's not surprising those things evoke such a dismissal. But such a dismissal is not all inclusive. Because we don't see, say, gay marriage as a persecution of Christianity doesn't mean we believe Christians are intrinsically incapable of being persecuted.
    - kadendogthing 8y ago
      The opinion he thinks people hold isn't common (or even a thing people hold as an idea in any capacity), it's a contrived straw-man designed to illicit a quick "gotchya" self win on the part of the OP. It belongs in a forwarded email, not in this forum. The poll won't yield the results you want. The prattling grandstand isn't clever, it's just a rather annoyingly insecure flamebait after you fumbled your original reply to me with links to articles that were entirely irrelevant to what was being discussed. No one believes Christians can't be persecuted. OP is conflating the dismissal of Western Christian "persecution" with somehow believing that people just don't think it can happen elsewhere. I am here to tell you that people are quite aware of the possibility of true persecution happening against any group of people, and most certainly the actual persecution of Christians elsewhere in the world. The error, however honest it may be, is his. And apparently yours too.