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what is "borderline terrorism"? the churches in the article were targeted for criticizing corrupt officials, in china

dahidahi1 8y ago
Why is the church indulging in criticism? Who are they? What right do they have to do that? How do they know that the officials are corrupt? How do you know that is the only thing the church did, if they even did that? How do YOU know for a fact that the official was corrupt? Too many questions & you seem to be naive enough to take everything at face value. Again, why does the church interfere in such things? Isn't that why the word "Secularism" was invented?? We need a church ... christianity free world. There is nothing but death & destruction we have gotten from these desert cults.
- geofft 8y ago
  Wrongly criticizing an official is not a crime. Nor does it result in death and destruction.
- dorian-graph 8y ago
  > There is nothing but death & destruction we have gotten from these desert cults. _Nothing_? That’s quite a bold statement
- DougN7 8y ago
  Churchs are organizations of people. Those people live and experience life just like people in unions, political parties, companies, social clubs and sports teams. Why do they get singled out and not allowed to express their opinions based on their experiences?
- SubiculumCode 8y ago
  >Why is the church indulging in criticism? Who are they? What right do they have to do that? From my part of the world, a damn human right.
  - dahidahi1 8y ago
    A church is not human. Same as a Nazi party cannot be human.
- coliveira 8y ago
  Completely agree. The political behavior of the Christian church is well known across history, and entails basically getting the best benefits of the government for itself and persecution or suppression for other beliefs. People in this thread trying to support the political activity of Christians in China seem that have no historical perspective of what this religion did and does up to this day to advance its agenda.
  - geofft 8y ago
    I do not understand why your position, that the Christian church gets the best benefits of government for itself, is in agreement with the position above, that the church should not criticize the government. I would understand your position more if you objected to the Christian churches operating with official approval of the government. In that case it would be very obvious how the church is gaining government power/favors for itself. But how is this church doing so? Even if your answer is that this behavior is in the DNA of Christianity and will come out at some point, are not the state-sanctioned churches a bigger threat (and, arguably, the unsanctioned churches are helping for now to question the legitimacy of the sanctioned ones)?
  - dang 8y ago
    Please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18759118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18759118
- dang 8y ago
  Religious flamewar will get you banned here. Please do not post like this to HN again. The topic is provocative, yes; and that's a reason not to be provoked. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
coliveira 8y ago
Every politician that we don't like is accused of corruption, in one way of another. I have seen this happening everywhere, and I see no reason to suppose that these denunciation of corruption is not politically motivated itself.

Why is the church indulging in criticism? Who are they? What right do they have to do that? How do they know that the officials are corrupt? How do you know that is the only thing the church did, if they even did that? How do YOU know for a fact that the official was corrupt? Too many questions & you seem to be naive enough to take everything at face value. Again, why does the church interfere in such things? Isn't that why the word "Secularism" was invented?? We need a church ... christianity free world. There is nothing but death & destruction we have gotten from these desert cults.

geofft 8y ago
Wrongly criticizing an official is not a crime. Nor does it result in death and destruction.
dorian-graph 8y ago
> There is nothing but death & destruction we have gotten from these desert cults. _Nothing_? That’s quite a bold statement
DougN7 8y ago
Churchs are organizations of people. Those people live and experience life just like people in unions, political parties, companies, social clubs and sports teams. Why do they get singled out and not allowed to express their opinions based on their experiences?
SubiculumCode 8y ago
>Why is the church indulging in criticism? Who are they? What right do they have to do that? From my part of the world, a damn human right.
- dahidahi1 8y ago
  A church is not human. Same as a Nazi party cannot be human.
coliveira 8y ago
Completely agree. The political behavior of the Christian church is well known across history, and entails basically getting the best benefits of the government for itself and persecution or suppression for other beliefs. People in this thread trying to support the political activity of Christians in China seem that have no historical perspective of what this religion did and does up to this day to advance its agenda.
- geofft 8y ago
  I do not understand why your position, that the Christian church gets the best benefits of government for itself, is in agreement with the position above, that the church should not criticize the government. I would understand your position more if you objected to the Christian churches operating with official approval of the government. In that case it would be very obvious how the church is gaining government power/favors for itself. But how is this church doing so? Even if your answer is that this behavior is in the DNA of Christianity and will come out at some point, are not the state-sanctioned churches a bigger threat (and, arguably, the unsanctioned churches are helping for now to question the legitimacy of the sanctioned ones)?
- dang 8y ago
  Please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18759118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18759118
dang 8y ago
Religious flamewar will get you banned here. Please do not post like this to HN again. The topic is provocative, yes; and that's a reason not to be provoked. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

coliveira 8y ago

Every politician that we don't like is accused of corruption, in one way of another. I have seen this happening everywhere, and I see no reason to suppose that these denunciation of corruption is not politically motivated itself.