> ask yourself whether it makes financial sense ... to ban people just before you go on holiday, you mean? Where's the kindness in that? How about a business d

> ask yourself whether it makes financial sense ... to ban people just before you go on holiday, you mean? Where's the kindness in that? How about a business day of fair warning and letting a person react before you ban them as a Christmas present? Why be "kind" to companies that never really own their shit, are ultimately not accountable at all, who offer weasel words to add some insult to injury? That's the track record. I made my mind up based on other things, anyway: We need payment processors and platforms using them that ONLY respect the law. Not even accepting user reports, maybe with a button to let users report things to the local police. Not anonymously of course, so said police can deal with repeated nonsensical complaints like they would if you abuse calling 911, how about that? Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and from what I can tell, the problem is anonymous reports. Let's get some "right to face your accuser" in there, on top of the accuser having to go to the police in the first place, and I bet you, 99.9% of it would clear up right then and there. Patreon doesn't want that, so what else is there for them to say? Let them change or let us make and flock to platforms that respect us, period. And let us support those who discern more carefully what systems and companies to use and normalize, and what lines to draw. If that means I have to accept that my neighbour on such a platform might be a racist, as long as they don't do anything illegal, just as something what they are, a bias they have, then I can live with that. Just like I can live in a big city, without freaking out all the time. What a crazy concept. I don't want to convince the people who can't fathom it, I want to build things with those who can. I'm sick to have dozens of landlord who mostly are little children that don't speak English but just string words together without meaning, and only respond to the guttural sounds of groups of other children. Would you go to a supermarket where the cashier can simply deny some items to some customers, on a case-by-case basis, based on other customers booing and blocking the transaction -- instead of security and nobody else dealing with those who try to interfere? It's time for the web to grow up. Being oh so different isn't any good when it means regression. I was actually planning to go on Patreon soon-ish, but after seeing the Matt Christiansen video about the PR rep phone call, I'm seriously re-considering that. That is, I'll have to come up with other stuff, and then at most go on Patreon as a bonus, an afterthought, that's for sure. There's nothing to reconsider. They can still change, they can do that any day. But until that happens, there's just 3 reason to be on Patreon: 1.) not having found an alternative 2.) not being aware 3.) being okay with others getting censored nilly-willy, and lending power to mobs Move people who are at #2 to #1, and don't waste time and money on those who stick with #3.