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Although Patreon is an excessively scummy company, there is some evidence that some of these bans were forced by Mastercard and Visa.

asabjorn 8y ago
In the call with Matt they said that what they did here conform with their corporate values and goals, as they don’t want to allow creators they politically disagree with for branding reasons. If therefore doesn’t matter if this was true in some of the many cases.
syshum 8y ago
There is speculation that Mastercard may have put some pressure on them I have seen zero actual evidence for MasterCard, and no speculation for Visa, so I would love to see citation for your evidence? There was Speculation for MC in the JihadWatch banning, but MC has publicly said they were not behind it I believe. PayPal on the other hand probably is, PayPal has been on a moral Authoritarian left war for over a decade now
- asabjorn 8y ago
  See the transcript of Matts conversation with Patreon [1]. They said this was entirely their decision, and they did it because they didn't like Sargons brand whatever that means. [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0mQjUA0T5INc_GDkwPJ2mfhO7tbaIogisSqqxHw0hc/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0mQjUA0T5INc_GDkwPJ2mfh...
sschueller 8y ago
This. Mastercard / Visa / Paypal pretty much control the entire system. Wikileaks was "deplatformed" years ago.
asabjorn 8y ago
Read the transcript [1] of the call between Patreon and Matt, and Patreon said it was entirely their decision. Another rather scummy thing is to act ideologically while obscuring your reasons, reasons you are perfectly capable of expressing in private. MATT: Are you telling me that this was Patreon’s decision then, or someone pressured you into this? PATREON: No - this was entirely Patreon’s decision. MATT: Well then I don’t understand passing the buck off to somebody else. PATREON: No, I’m not passing the buck off. The thing is we have guidelines, but I’m trying to explain, #1 it is our mission to fund the creative class and obviously some people may not want to be associated. [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0mQjUA0T5INc_GDkwPJ2mfhO7tbaIogisSqqxHw0hc/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0mQjUA0T5INc_GDkwPJ2mfh...

asabjorn 8y ago

In the call with Matt they said that what they did here conform with their corporate values and goals, as they don’t want to allow creators they politically disagree with for branding reasons. If therefore doesn’t matter if this was true in some of the many cases.

syshum 8y ago

There is speculation that Mastercard may have put some pressure on them I have seen zero actual evidence for MasterCard, and no speculation for Visa, so I would love to see citation for your evidence? There was Speculation for MC in the JihadWatch banning, but MC has publicly said they were not behind it I believe. PayPal on the other hand probably is, PayPal has been on a moral Authoritarian left war for over a decade now

asabjorn 8y ago
See the transcript of Matts conversation with Patreon [1]. They said this was entirely their decision, and they did it because they didn't like Sargons brand whatever that means. [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0mQjUA0T5INc_GDkwPJ2mfhO7tbaIogisSqqxHw0hc/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0mQjUA0T5INc_GDkwPJ2mfh...

sschueller 8y ago

This. Mastercard / Visa / Paypal pretty much control the entire system. Wikileaks was "deplatformed" years ago.

asabjorn 8y ago

Read the transcript [1] of the call between Patreon and Matt, and Patreon said it was entirely their decision. Another rather scummy thing is to act ideologically while obscuring your reasons, reasons you are perfectly capable of expressing in private. MATT: Are you telling me that this was Patreon’s decision then, or someone pressured you into this? PATREON: No - this was entirely Patreon’s decision. MATT: Well then I don’t understand passing the buck off to somebody else. PATREON: No, I’m not passing the buck off. The thing is we have guidelines, but I’m trying to explain, #1 it is our mission to fund the creative class and obviously some people may not want to be associated. [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0mQjUA0T5INc_GDkwPJ2mfhO7tbaIogisSqqxHw0hc/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0mQjUA0T5INc_GDkwPJ2mfh...