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> You are in a bubble of like minded people, your anecdotal experience does not apply to all people. Ask yourself this: Have you ever been on the fence about a
by manfredo 8y ago
> You are in a bubble of like minded people, your anecdotal experience does not apply to all people.
Ask yourself this: Have you ever been on the fence about an issue, but upon seeing that one side heavily mocked the other you decided to side with the former? So far in this thread:
* I have repeatedly stated that I have not witnessed this.
* I asked you if you have ever experienced this, but you have not provided a response.
If this is a bubble, then it seems like we're both in it. Or, perhaps more likely, this judgement is incorrect.
> Trump supporters for example very much respond to mockery, they liked that Trump mocked the other republican candidates in the primary and were swayed to vote for him based on what appeared in their eyes to be a strong performance in the debates with his peers.
Yes, but the only people who responded positively to this are were other Republicans. In the grand scheme of things, Trump has been a disaster for the Republican party. They managed to secure the presidency, but as an immense cost in terms of Republican reputation. They have become so unpopular that they lost the house in the midterm election, something that rarely occurs given Republican advantage in the midterms.
And the reason why is largely because of what I described: people look at Trump's mockery and general behavior and find it difficult to associate themselves with what the party has become. Plenty of high profile Republicans have become alienated from the party. If we actually think critically about US politics in the last 3 years, the Trump campaign and presidency actually supports my conclusion about the lack of efficacy of mocking behavior: Trump's mockery rallied the subset of Republicans that support his behavior, but alienated those that did not, and stimulated Democrat opposition on top of that.
- zorga 8y agoHave you never seen a comedian, George Carlin perhaps: a professional mocker? Yes, he's changed people's minds. You're wrong, we're done, you're just repeating yourself and denying what you haven't seen while ignoring that others have. You have a closed mind. And yes I've seen mockery turn people around and frankly I think anyone's that intellectually honest with themselves will admit they have as well if they sat and thought about it enough.
- manfredo 8y agoI'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the average person that brags about mocking people they think don't belong in society doesn't have the same charisma as a professional comedian. Not to mention those two situations are extremely different: Carlin performs to audiences that voluntarily attend his events. It's also worthwhile that despite your repeated insistence that mockery is a functional persuasive strategy, and despite my repeated asking, you still have yet to provide an example of this playing out successfully. This speaks for itself. The only thing approaching an example is referring to the Trump presidency, but as I pointed out this is just as much an example backfiring, if not moreso.
- dang 8y agoCrossing into incivility and personal attack is not ok on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or seems, and we ban accounts that do it. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the spirit of this site to heart when posting here? You might also find these other links helpful for getting a clearer idea of that spirit: https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html
- zorga 8y agoI didn't attack anyone, what a preposterous accusation. I was perfectly civil, you're wrong dang.
- dang 8y ago"You're wrong, we're done", "you're just repeating yourself and denying what you haven't seen", and "You have a closed mind" are uncivil by the standards that apply here. So is "you're in an ideological bubble and have closed your mind" and other things you've posted elsewhere. None of this meets that standard of the site guidelines. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the spirit of this site more to heart, we'd be grateful.