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And thinking of this given how common the problem of permissiveness towards lying and fraud in China is, I guess even as a foreigner you could play this game an

And thinking of this given how common the problem of permissiveness towards lying and fraud in China is, I guess even as a foreigner you could play this game and get away with it. So there doesn't even have to be the most primitive nationalistic bias going on. Most simply won't do this because of how tough our cultures are on such behavior. And even if you do you're still disadvantaged because of your lesser knowledge of the system and/or language. Couldn't edit so made a new comment.

dylan604 8y ago
Without trying to get too political, using similar styles of lying can get you to become the US president. It's not about the lie itself as much as the willingness to bend the truth to fit whatever the narrative is. Again, not trying to start up political discourse, but just want to point out this is not an inherently Chinese thing. It's more of a totalitarian thing really. Do/Say whatever to get into power and then stay in power.
- AmericanChopper 8y ago
  You don’t want to get to political, but the US is a totalitarian regime with a president who lied his way into office? I think you missed the mark a little there.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    You can say a lot about Trump. But he was the most honest politician during the campaign. He told America exactly who he was and exactly what his base wanted to hear.
    - AmericanChopper 8y ago
      I’m not actually saying anything about him. I’m just astounded by the ridiculous contradictions in the parent comment.
    - rosege 8y ago
      Telling your base exactly what they want to hear doesn't make you honest. There were a campaign slogan that he later said during another rally was just bullshit but he said it because it played well. There was a Daily Show where they showed it but I cant find it now but I can find things like this which illustrate the point: https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/jared-kushner-donald-trump-lied-base-stupid-voters-supporters-president-son-in-law-white-house-a7764791.html https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/jared-kush...
    - 75dvtwin 8y ago
      Corrupt and selective-outrage motivated Judiciary systems in China, former USSR republics and many countries in Africa -- is exactly what will continue to prevent citizens of these countries to want to stay there. Corruption of law enforcement (including FBI), pay-to-play corrupt politicians, and selective-outrage judiciary system -- is causing enormous damage to US credibility (and to continuing dominance of US dollar as peg currency). This is one of 3 reasons why Trump was elected, and this is what he is fixing as well (and it is hard). (the other two are: a US president must put US citizen's interests prioritized first. Second, is that policy and economic decisions MUST be based on merit, not wordsmithing exemplified by the smoke and mirrors of political correctness).
  - withhighprod 8y ago
    LMAO, Bush, Clinton, Nixon and Trump. They lied A LOT
throwaway5uie 8y ago
I guess that’s why foreign investment bankers do so well there.

dylan604 8y ago

Without trying to get too political, using similar styles of lying can get you to become the US president. It's not about the lie itself as much as the willingness to bend the truth to fit whatever the narrative is. Again, not trying to start up political discourse, but just want to point out this is not an inherently Chinese thing. It's more of a totalitarian thing really. Do/Say whatever to get into power and then stay in power.

AmericanChopper 8y ago
You don’t want to get to political, but the US is a totalitarian regime with a president who lied his way into office? I think you missed the mark a little there.
- scarface74 8y ago
  You can say a lot about Trump. But he was the most honest politician during the campaign. He told America exactly who he was and exactly what his base wanted to hear.
  - AmericanChopper 8y ago
    I’m not actually saying anything about him. I’m just astounded by the ridiculous contradictions in the parent comment.
  - rosege 8y ago
    Telling your base exactly what they want to hear doesn't make you honest. There were a campaign slogan that he later said during another rally was just bullshit but he said it because it played well. There was a Daily Show where they showed it but I cant find it now but I can find things like this which illustrate the point: https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/jared-kushner-donald-trump-lied-base-stupid-voters-supporters-president-son-in-law-white-house-a7764791.html https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/jared-kush...
  - 75dvtwin 8y ago
    Corrupt and selective-outrage motivated Judiciary systems in China, former USSR republics and many countries in Africa -- is exactly what will continue to prevent citizens of these countries to want to stay there. Corruption of law enforcement (including FBI), pay-to-play corrupt politicians, and selective-outrage judiciary system -- is causing enormous damage to US credibility (and to continuing dominance of US dollar as peg currency). This is one of 3 reasons why Trump was elected, and this is what he is fixing as well (and it is hard). (the other two are: a US president must put US citizen's interests prioritized first. Second, is that policy and economic decisions MUST be based on merit, not wordsmithing exemplified by the smoke and mirrors of political correctness).
- withhighprod 8y ago
  LMAO, Bush, Clinton, Nixon and Trump. They lied A LOT

throwaway5uie 8y ago

I guess that’s why foreign investment bankers do so well there.