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Can't stress enough how broken the Chinese judiciary is. You'd think the bias has to do mostly with big cases involving huge corporations. Unfortunately I learn

Can't stress enough how broken the Chinese judiciary is. You'd think the bias has to do mostly with big cases involving huge corporations. Unfortunately I learned first hand how crooked the system is. The laws don't matter when the other (Chinese) party submits obviously fake documents as evidence and gets away with it. Don't ever under any circumstance expose yourself to the Chinese legal system.

auganov 8y ago
And thinking of this given how common the problem of permissiveness towards lying and fraud in China is, I guess even as a foreigner you could play this game and get away with it. So there doesn't even have to be the most primitive nationalistic bias going on. Most simply won't do this because of how tough our cultures are on such behavior. And even if you do you're still disadvantaged because of your lesser knowledge of the system and/or language. Couldn't edit so made a new comment.
- dylan604 8y ago
  Without trying to get too political, using similar styles of lying can get you to become the US president. It's not about the lie itself as much as the willingness to bend the truth to fit whatever the narrative is. Again, not trying to start up political discourse, but just want to point out this is not an inherently Chinese thing. It's more of a totalitarian thing really. Do/Say whatever to get into power and then stay in power.
  - AmericanChopper 8y ago
    You don’t want to get to political, but the US is a totalitarian regime with a president who lied his way into office? I think you missed the mark a little there.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      You can say a lot about Trump. But he was the most honest politician during the campaign. He told America exactly who he was and exactly what his base wanted to hear.
      - AmericanChopper 8y ago
        I’m not actually saying anything about him. I’m just astounded by the ridiculous contradictions in the parent comment.
      - rosege 8y ago
        Telling your base exactly what they want to hear doesn't make you honest. There were a campaign slogan that he later said during another rally was just bullshit but he said it because it played well. There was a Daily Show where they showed it but I cant find it now but I can find things like this which illustrate the point: https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/jared-kushner-donald-trump-lied-base-stupid-voters-supporters-president-son-in-law-white-house-a7764791.html https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/jared-kush...
      - 75dvtwin 8y ago
        Corrupt and selective-outrage motivated Judiciary systems in China, former USSR republics and many countries in Africa -- is exactly what will continue to prevent citizens of these countries to want to stay there. Corruption of law enforcement (including FBI), pay-to-play corrupt politicians, and selective-outrage judiciary system -- is causing enormous damage to US credibility (and to continuing dominance of US dollar as peg currency). This is one of 3 reasons why Trump was elected, and this is what he is fixing as well (and it is hard). (the other two are: a US president must put US citizen's interests prioritized first. Second, is that policy and economic decisions MUST be based on merit, not wordsmithing exemplified by the smoke and mirrors of political correctness).
    - withhighprod 8y ago
      LMAO, Bush, Clinton, Nixon and Trump. They lied A LOT
- throwaway5uie 8y ago
  I guess that’s why foreign investment bankers do so well there.
NicoJuicy 8y ago
Chinese vs international = Chinese win. No exception allowed
- est 8y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-chi... here's an exception.
  - killjoywashere 8y ago
    That is a classic example of exception proving the rule.
    - est 8y ago
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38246196 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38246196 https://www.plasticsnewseurope.com/article/20181109/PNE/181109909/lego-wins-another-intellectual-property-case-in-china https://www.plasticsnewseurope.com/article/20181109/PNE/1811... https://lawstreetmedia.com/blogs/ip-copyright/new-balance-wins-huge-trademark-case-china/ https://lawstreetmedia.com/blogs/ip-copyright/new-balance-wi... do you need more?
      - NicoJuicy 8y ago
        The Chinese win if they only have to pay pennies: > The three companies owe a combined $1.5 million to New Balance. But while that sum may not seem like much, it’s more than American companies usually get. Pennies on the dollar, Chinese win. Ps. First link didn't receive damages and only partial win? 2nd link is better, but I'm sure copying Lego in China earned a lot more. So, still pennies om the dollar. These articles you linked really don't proof a thing, just that some companies pay a minor fine. I'm suprised no one else sees this..
        est 8y ago
        Chinese pay less than you expect == Chinese win Got it.
educationdata 8y ago
China’s Chief Justice Rejects an Independent Judiciary https://cn.nytimes.com/china/20170119/china-chief-justice-courts-zhou-qiang/dual/ https://cn.nytimes.com/china/20170119/china-chief-justice-co... Quote: “We should resolutely resist erroneous influence from the West: ‘constitutional democracy,’ ‘separation of powers’ and ‘independence of the judiciary,’” Chief Justice Zhou, the head of the Supreme People’s Court of China, said in a speech to a group of legal officials in Beijing. “We must make clear our stand and dare to show the sword.”
- everybodyknows 8y ago
  The "show the sword" metaphor is intriguing. Show it to whom? To anyone who would challenge a central party official?

auganov 8y ago

And thinking of this given how common the problem of permissiveness towards lying and fraud in China is, I guess even as a foreigner you could play this game and get away with it. So there doesn't even have to be the most primitive nationalistic bias going on. Most simply won't do this because of how tough our cultures are on such behavior. And even if you do you're still disadvantaged because of your lesser knowledge of the system and/or language. Couldn't edit so made a new comment.

dylan604 8y ago
Without trying to get too political, using similar styles of lying can get you to become the US president. It's not about the lie itself as much as the willingness to bend the truth to fit whatever the narrative is. Again, not trying to start up political discourse, but just want to point out this is not an inherently Chinese thing. It's more of a totalitarian thing really. Do/Say whatever to get into power and then stay in power.
- AmericanChopper 8y ago
  You don’t want to get to political, but the US is a totalitarian regime with a president who lied his way into office? I think you missed the mark a little there.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    You can say a lot about Trump. But he was the most honest politician during the campaign. He told America exactly who he was and exactly what his base wanted to hear.
    - AmericanChopper 8y ago
      I’m not actually saying anything about him. I’m just astounded by the ridiculous contradictions in the parent comment.
    - rosege 8y ago
      Telling your base exactly what they want to hear doesn't make you honest. There were a campaign slogan that he later said during another rally was just bullshit but he said it because it played well. There was a Daily Show where they showed it but I cant find it now but I can find things like this which illustrate the point: https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/jared-kushner-donald-trump-lied-base-stupid-voters-supporters-president-son-in-law-white-house-a7764791.html https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/jared-kush...
    - 75dvtwin 8y ago
      Corrupt and selective-outrage motivated Judiciary systems in China, former USSR republics and many countries in Africa -- is exactly what will continue to prevent citizens of these countries to want to stay there. Corruption of law enforcement (including FBI), pay-to-play corrupt politicians, and selective-outrage judiciary system -- is causing enormous damage to US credibility (and to continuing dominance of US dollar as peg currency). This is one of 3 reasons why Trump was elected, and this is what he is fixing as well (and it is hard). (the other two are: a US president must put US citizen's interests prioritized first. Second, is that policy and economic decisions MUST be based on merit, not wordsmithing exemplified by the smoke and mirrors of political correctness).
  - withhighprod 8y ago
    LMAO, Bush, Clinton, Nixon and Trump. They lied A LOT
throwaway5uie 8y ago
I guess that’s why foreign investment bankers do so well there.

NicoJuicy 8y ago

Chinese vs international = Chinese win. No exception allowed

est 8y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-chi... here's an exception.
- killjoywashere 8y ago
  That is a classic example of exception proving the rule.
  - est 8y ago
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38246196 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38246196 https://www.plasticsnewseurope.com/article/20181109/PNE/181109909/lego-wins-another-intellectual-property-case-in-china https://www.plasticsnewseurope.com/article/20181109/PNE/1811... https://lawstreetmedia.com/blogs/ip-copyright/new-balance-wins-huge-trademark-case-china/ https://lawstreetmedia.com/blogs/ip-copyright/new-balance-wi... do you need more?
    - NicoJuicy 8y ago
      The Chinese win if they only have to pay pennies: > The three companies owe a combined $1.5 million to New Balance. But while that sum may not seem like much, it’s more than American companies usually get. Pennies on the dollar, Chinese win. Ps. First link didn't receive damages and only partial win? 2nd link is better, but I'm sure copying Lego in China earned a lot more. So, still pennies om the dollar. These articles you linked really don't proof a thing, just that some companies pay a minor fine. I'm suprised no one else sees this..
      - est 8y ago
        Chinese pay less than you expect == Chinese win Got it.

educationdata 8y ago

China’s Chief Justice Rejects an Independent Judiciary https://cn.nytimes.com/china/20170119/china-chief-justice-courts-zhou-qiang/dual/ https://cn.nytimes.com/china/20170119/china-chief-justice-co... Quote: “We should resolutely resist erroneous influence from the West: ‘constitutional democracy,’ ‘separation of powers’ and ‘independence of the judiciary,’” Chief Justice Zhou, the head of the Supreme People’s Court of China, said in a speech to a group of legal officials in Beijing. “We must make clear our stand and dare to show the sword.”

everybodyknows 8y ago
The "show the sword" metaphor is intriguing. Show it to whom? To anyone who would challenge a central party official?