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All these comments make no sense. The state police and its agents forced people into logging in to their accounts and then tortured them for what they saw there

All these comments make no sense. The state police and its agents forced people into logging in to their accounts and then tortured them for what they saw there. This is good old rubber hose attacks. Facebook isn't the bad guy here. They were the target because they provided the function of being a great place to share stuff. All this bullshit about Mastodon and whatnot isn't going to help anyone. I can just imagine the police. "Oh no, you are using a decentralized tool to describe the protests. I guess we can't torture you. After all each of the communities on this decentralized tool have their own independent rules and what you posted doesn't violate the rules of the community you posted it in. You're free to go."

ViViDboarder 8y ago
Anything without a real name policy is better because they don’t know who to hit with the hose.
- beat 8y ago
  Yes, that's why it's better to do social activism organizing on Twitter. Much easier to be anonymous, much harder to suppress.
  - smt88 8y ago
    But far fewer users
bogomipz 8y ago
>"All these comments make no sense. The state police and its agents forced people into logging in to their accounts and then tortured them for what they saw there." If FB didn't enforce a "real name" policy then the police wouldn't have been able to identify and/or hold those people to account. The comments make good sense.
- manfredo 8y ago
  Facebook doesn't actually enforce the real name policy unless you are deliberately impersonating someone. I created something like 6 alt accounts, none of them were flagged.
  - bogomipz 8y ago
    Yes they do enforce it. Just because you haven't been called to defend one of your fake accounts does not mean they don't enforce it. See: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/facebook-real-name-trans-drag-queen-dottie-lux https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/facebook-real-... and https://techcrunch.com/2015/12/15/facebook-makes-changes-to-its-real-name-policy/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/12/15/facebook-makes-changes-to-...
    - manfredo 8y ago
      These two examples seem to be relegated to very specific subpopulations, that are doing something that would easily attracy Facebook's attention - nameley identifying as the opposite gender they did previously. The overwhelming majority of people can probably make a profile with a false name and use Facebook without issue. Ultimately, though, people probably don't use fake names on Facebook because a large portion of the service's value is lost when trying to keep one's identity obfuscated. None of your friends, acquaintances, or co-workers will recognize the profile with the false name. Unless the profile picture is real, but that opens a vector for the government to find out in the real identity of the user too.
      - bogomipz 8y ago
        Maybe read the entire context - the OP stated it is NOT enforced and it most certainly is enforced. It's not "relegated to very specific subpopulations" either. It's enforced whenever FB feels like enforcing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_real-name_policy_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_real-name_policy_cont...
- Fuckyourself 8y ago

ViViDboarder 8y ago

Anything without a real name policy is better because they don’t know who to hit with the hose.

beat 8y ago
Yes, that's why it's better to do social activism organizing on Twitter. Much easier to be anonymous, much harder to suppress.
- smt88 8y ago
  But far fewer users

bogomipz 8y ago

>"All these comments make no sense. The state police and its agents forced people into logging in to their accounts and then tortured them for what they saw there." If FB didn't enforce a "real name" policy then the police wouldn't have been able to identify and/or hold those people to account. The comments make good sense.

manfredo 8y ago
Facebook doesn't actually enforce the real name policy unless you are deliberately impersonating someone. I created something like 6 alt accounts, none of them were flagged.
- bogomipz 8y ago
  Yes they do enforce it. Just because you haven't been called to defend one of your fake accounts does not mean they don't enforce it. See: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/facebook-real-name-trans-drag-queen-dottie-lux https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/facebook-real-... and https://techcrunch.com/2015/12/15/facebook-makes-changes-to-its-real-name-policy/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/12/15/facebook-makes-changes-to-...
  - manfredo 8y ago
    These two examples seem to be relegated to very specific subpopulations, that are doing something that would easily attracy Facebook's attention - nameley identifying as the opposite gender they did previously. The overwhelming majority of people can probably make a profile with a false name and use Facebook without issue. Ultimately, though, people probably don't use fake names on Facebook because a large portion of the service's value is lost when trying to keep one's identity obfuscated. None of your friends, acquaintances, or co-workers will recognize the profile with the false name. Unless the profile picture is real, but that opens a vector for the government to find out in the real identity of the user too.
    - bogomipz 8y ago
      Maybe read the entire context - the OP stated it is NOT enforced and it most certainly is enforced. It's not "relegated to very specific subpopulations" either. It's enforced whenever FB feels like enforcing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_real-name_policy_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_real-name_policy_cont...
Fuckyourself 8y ago