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They don't hire the brightest - recently I heard a former senior ex met natsec policeman who presented as very very stupid individual I would not trust to inves

They don't hire the brightest - recently I heard a former senior ex met natsec policeman who presented as very very stupid individual I would not trust to investigate a missing kitten. There was also the scandal where a v senior copper on the Cyber side was found cheating.

tantalor 8y ago
Cheating? At what?
- C1sc0cat 8y ago
  Exam to join the Police Central e-Crime Unit (PCeU), https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/19/pceu_tribunal/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/19/pceu_tribunal/
bgeeek 8y ago
To be fair, and I've come across this so many times, you can be good at your job and still have awful presentation skills. I don't think we get taught things like this in the UK and/or get practise in it, unlike other countries.
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ComputerGuru 8y ago
In the USA, courts ruled it was legal for police departments to discriminate based on intellect and refuse to higher persons with high IQs. They hire less smart people on purpose because they tend to question orders less and do what they are told more (their words, not mine).
- hodgesrm 8y ago
  You should cite a source for that. Where I live the cops are pretty on the ball. I recall one of them casually correcting my math on work-related problem when he was taking a report from me on another topic.
  - paganel 8y ago
    Where I live (Eastern Europe) the policemen are generally known as not being the brightest, there are countless jokes made about their intellect (or lack thereof) and propensity to generally follow orders without giving it a second thought. I've just checked and it seems that even the related Wikipedia [1] page has a section on this: > Policemen: Most Romanian people are not fond of the law enforcement institutions and try to avoid contact with constables. Romanian public opinion about policemen says that they are primitive, uneducated and totally corrupt. Some of these police jokes belong to the absurd genre. Q: How do you choose a stupid policeman from a group of policemen? A: At random. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_humour#Stereotypes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_humour#Stereotypes
  - firmgently 8y ago
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/too-smart-to-be-a-cop/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/too-smart-to-be-a-cop/ https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836 https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/st...
- brianwawok 8y ago
  Source? Chicago lost a landmark case where they hired fire fighters based on a written test, because it was found to discriminate. So in practice the written test got removed or downplayed https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/firefighter-lawsuit-127968493.html%3famp=y https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/f...
- CodeAndCuffs 8y ago
  This was literally a single court case of a single applicant of a single small department. The ruling is that it is not literally illegal to refuse to hire someone for being smart. On an totally unrelated note, the applicant was an older fellow, and age discrimination is illegal. The applicant was also hired as an officer in another jurisdiction. Most departments that have more than 100 officers require a bachelor's or associate's degree. The department I worked for did not explicitly have this requirement, but I was the only person in our class of 96 hires that did not have either a college degree or military background. Most had bachelor's, a few had master's, some had doctorates. On a completely separate tangent, law enforcement as a field is much like a skilled trade. To do it well you need a specific set of skills and the desire to learn them. Any high school graduate can do the job more than adequately if hes willing to listen and learn the stuff he needs to learn. At the end of the day a cop simply needs to be an honest person who understands the basic principles of the laws related to policing, and is willing to take calculated risks to help others.

tantalor 8y ago

Cheating? At what?

C1sc0cat 8y ago
Exam to join the Police Central e-Crime Unit (PCeU), https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/19/pceu_tribunal/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/19/pceu_tribunal/

bgeeek 8y ago

To be fair, and I've come across this so many times, you can be good at your job and still have awful presentation skills. I don't think we get taught things like this in the UK and/or get practise in it, unlike other countries.

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ComputerGuru 8y ago

In the USA, courts ruled it was legal for police departments to discriminate based on intellect and refuse to higher persons with high IQs. They hire less smart people on purpose because they tend to question orders less and do what they are told more (their words, not mine).

hodgesrm 8y ago
You should cite a source for that. Where I live the cops are pretty on the ball. I recall one of them casually correcting my math on work-related problem when he was taking a report from me on another topic.
- paganel 8y ago
  Where I live (Eastern Europe) the policemen are generally known as not being the brightest, there are countless jokes made about their intellect (or lack thereof) and propensity to generally follow orders without giving it a second thought. I've just checked and it seems that even the related Wikipedia [1] page has a section on this: > Policemen: Most Romanian people are not fond of the law enforcement institutions and try to avoid contact with constables. Romanian public opinion about policemen says that they are primitive, uneducated and totally corrupt. Some of these police jokes belong to the absurd genre. Q: How do you choose a stupid policeman from a group of policemen? A: At random. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_humour#Stereotypes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_humour#Stereotypes
- firmgently 8y ago
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/too-smart-to-be-a-cop/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/too-smart-to-be-a-cop/ https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836 https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/st...
brianwawok 8y ago
Source? Chicago lost a landmark case where they hired fire fighters based on a written test, because it was found to discriminate. So in practice the written test got removed or downplayed https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/firefighter-lawsuit-127968493.html%3famp=y https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/f...
CodeAndCuffs 8y ago
This was literally a single court case of a single applicant of a single small department. The ruling is that it is not literally illegal to refuse to hire someone for being smart. On an totally unrelated note, the applicant was an older fellow, and age discrimination is illegal. The applicant was also hired as an officer in another jurisdiction. Most departments that have more than 100 officers require a bachelor's or associate's degree. The department I worked for did not explicitly have this requirement, but I was the only person in our class of 96 hires that did not have either a college degree or military background. Most had bachelor's, a few had master's, some had doctorates. On a completely separate tangent, law enforcement as a field is much like a skilled trade. To do it well you need a specific set of skills and the desire to learn them. Any high school graduate can do the job more than adequately if hes willing to listen and learn the stuff he needs to learn. At the end of the day a cop simply needs to be an honest person who understands the basic principles of the laws related to policing, and is willing to take calculated risks to help others.