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But nicotine isn't "fun". You think it's cool and by the time you realise it's not, you are physically dependant on it to function. At least alcohol and marij

But nicotine isn't "fun". You think it's cool and by the time you realise it's not, you are physically dependant on it to function. At least alcohol and marijuana do something.

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ryanmercer 8y ago
>You think it's cool and by the time you realise it's not, Which is why vaping is so dangerous. If you can think of a flavor, it's available. No flavor, cigar, blueberry pie, chocolate brownies, etc. More flavors than a shaved ice stand. Unlike cigarettes where you have "nauseating burnt paper" and "menthol nauseating burnt paper".
jf- 8y ago
Nicotine does do something, it gives you a dopamine hit. It feels good. It doesn’t cause impairment like weed and alcohol if that’s what you mean by “doing something”, but you can definitely feel it. Even if you personally don’t respond to it, others do.
- oliwarner 8y ago
  It does that to begin with, but this dopamine increase (through stimulation and reduced MAO production) means that the baseline dopamine level in a smoker changes. That's why you feel shitty once you stop smoking. Once you're that far —and we're only talking days— smoking is not getting you a desirable outcome, it's merely returning you to your new baseline dopamine level. Simply put, it's just too addictive to be used recreationally.
  - jf- 8y ago
    You're just reiterating the received wisdom on drug tolerance: you have to take more to get the same effect. On that, some claim to find a ceiling effect to tolerance, that is after a certain dose adaptation no longer takes place and the dose remains effective. Alternatively you can cycle. Your bottom line is an over-simplification. Also, you're now longer making your initial point, that nicotine isn't fun, instead you've moved on to 'the fun wears off or you'll need to consume more to get the same effect'.

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But nicotine isn't "fun". You think it's cool and by the time you realise it's not, you are physically dependant on it to function. At least alcohol and marij

by oliwarner 8y ago

But nicotine isn't "fun". You think it's cool and by the time you realise it's not, you are physically dependant on it to function. At least alcohol and marijuana do something.

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ryanmercer 8y ago
>You think it's cool and by the time you realise it's not, Which is why vaping is so dangerous. If you can think of a flavor, it's available. No flavor, cigar, blueberry pie, chocolate brownies, etc. More flavors than a shaved ice stand. Unlike cigarettes where you have "nauseating burnt paper" and "menthol nauseating burnt paper".
jf- 8y ago
Nicotine does do something, it gives you a dopamine hit. It feels good. It doesn’t cause impairment like weed and alcohol if that’s what you mean by “doing something”, but you can definitely feel it. Even if you personally don’t respond to it, others do.
- oliwarner 8y ago
  It does that to begin with, but this dopamine increase (through stimulation and reduced MAO production) means that the baseline dopamine level in a smoker changes. That's why you feel shitty once you stop smoking. Once you're that far —and we're only talking days— smoking is not getting you a desirable outcome, it's merely returning you to your new baseline dopamine level. Simply put, it's just too addictive to be used recreationally.
  - jf- 8y ago
    You're just reiterating the received wisdom on drug tolerance: you have to take more to get the same effect. On that, some claim to find a ceiling effect to tolerance, that is after a certain dose adaptation no longer takes place and the dose remains effective. Alternatively you can cycle. Your bottom line is an over-simplification. Also, you're now longer making your initial point, that nicotine isn't fun, instead you've moved on to 'the fun wears off or you'll need to consume more to get the same effect'.