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Can you explain why that's true of leftist/Democrats and not true generally of all people?

by peteretep 8y ago

black-tea 8y ago
He's a "rightist" so naturally it would be the other team that are wrong and have always been wrong etc.
- icelancer 8y ago
  I'm liberal.
icelancer 8y ago
I mean these articles in general. They aren't written by Republicans; they're written by leftists who feel they should do better and this and that. Most of the time they've never experienced poverty and why poor people make the decisions that they do, like shop at Dollar General, for example.
- peteretep 8y ago
  I think you’ve taken the right-wing bait a little too to heart here. In the US, most young people, most women, and most ethnic minorities are Democratic-Learning, and I’m speculating those are also the groups most affected by poverty.
  - Noos 8y ago
    He's talking about how the rich young twitteratti of the knowledge class have no idea what poverty is, and yes, most of them are politically leftist. The people affected by poverty aren't writing articles bewailing dollar stores, it's the rich people in the process of gentrifying small towns who hate them.
    - peteretep 8y ago
      I would agree that most young people are leftist, and most people in the knowledge class are leftist. I'm not going to agree that most rich people are leftist or most people on Twitter are leftist. I am willing to go along with most people matching all of {rich, young, knowledge class, on Twitter} are leftist, although I've no idea if it's true. However, extrapolating that to the OP's point of: > the average leftist/Democrat in the United States has no idea what it's like to be poor and reliant on many public services really doesn't follow at all. The numbers are clear that really poor people heavily skew Democrat. In summary: Less than $30k: 20%R to 43%D $30-50k: Equal split $75-150k: 33%R to 30%D $150+: Equal split It feels impossible to go from these numbers to the Op's conclusion, although I would accept the modification of it to "the average person in the United States, of either party affiliation, has no idea what it's like to be poor and reliant on many public services". Suggesting that's more true of Democrats is simply not factual, the numbers suggest though. More detail at: http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/13/2016-party-identification-detailed-tables/ http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/13/2016-party-identifica...
  - ettercap18 8y ago
    Articles like this (and this approach is extremely common) push ideological propaganda instead of actual understanding about what is dessicating the middle and lower classes. The term “white flight” is a nonsense, ideological term only used by a very fringe group. Real economists and analysts talk about globalization, inflation, trade, shift from manufacturing to service economy etc. the things that are most harming African Americans and Hispanics are not Dollar General stores.
    - vict00ms 8y ago
      At least in my city (Chicago), the term "white flight" refers to a specific time period with quantifiable demographic shifts (that occurred due to the "Great Migration" out of Mississippi). My Japanese grandparents also fled to the North Side during this period.
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- peteretep 8y ago
  > I mean these articles in general. They aren't written by Republicans Sorry to pile on here, but also: don't think you'll find any shortage of articles from the Right that also completely misunderstand what it's like to be broke.

Can you explain why that's true of leftist/Democrats and not true generally of all people?

black-tea 8y ago

He's a "rightist" so naturally it would be the other team that are wrong and have always been wrong etc.

icelancer 8y ago
I'm liberal.

icelancer 8y ago

I mean these articles in general. They aren't written by Republicans; they're written by leftists who feel they should do better and this and that. Most of the time they've never experienced poverty and why poor people make the decisions that they do, like shop at Dollar General, for example.

peteretep 8y ago
I think you’ve taken the right-wing bait a little too to heart here. In the US, most young people, most women, and most ethnic minorities are Democratic-Learning, and I’m speculating those are also the groups most affected by poverty.
- Noos 8y ago
  He's talking about how the rich young twitteratti of the knowledge class have no idea what poverty is, and yes, most of them are politically leftist. The people affected by poverty aren't writing articles bewailing dollar stores, it's the rich people in the process of gentrifying small towns who hate them.
  - peteretep 8y ago
    I would agree that most young people are leftist, and most people in the knowledge class are leftist. I'm not going to agree that most rich people are leftist or most people on Twitter are leftist. I am willing to go along with most people matching all of {rich, young, knowledge class, on Twitter} are leftist, although I've no idea if it's true. However, extrapolating that to the OP's point of: > the average leftist/Democrat in the United States has no idea what it's like to be poor and reliant on many public services really doesn't follow at all. The numbers are clear that really poor people heavily skew Democrat. In summary: Less than $30k: 20%R to 43%D $30-50k: Equal split $75-150k: 33%R to 30%D $150+: Equal split It feels impossible to go from these numbers to the Op's conclusion, although I would accept the modification of it to "the average person in the United States, of either party affiliation, has no idea what it's like to be poor and reliant on many public services". Suggesting that's more true of Democrats is simply not factual, the numbers suggest though. More detail at: http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/13/2016-party-identification-detailed-tables/ http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/13/2016-party-identifica...
- ettercap18 8y ago
  Articles like this (and this approach is extremely common) push ideological propaganda instead of actual understanding about what is dessicating the middle and lower classes. The term “white flight” is a nonsense, ideological term only used by a very fringe group. Real economists and analysts talk about globalization, inflation, trade, shift from manufacturing to service economy etc. the things that are most harming African Americans and Hispanics are not Dollar General stores.
  - vict00ms 8y ago
    At least in my city (Chicago), the term "white flight" refers to a specific time period with quantifiable demographic shifts (that occurred due to the "Great Migration" out of Mississippi). My Japanese grandparents also fled to the North Side during this period.
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peteretep 8y ago
> I mean these articles in general. They aren't written by Republicans Sorry to pile on here, but also: don't think you'll find any shortage of articles from the Right that also completely misunderstand what it's like to be broke.