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So it's okay for someone to offend so long as the offender thinks the offended should not belong in society? By that logic plenty of people are justified in off

So it's okay for someone to offend so long as the offender thinks the offended should not belong in society? By that logic plenty of people are justified in offending gays, transgender, immigrants, etc.

mattigames 8y ago
Yes they are free to offend, and if all goes well we shall remember them the same way we remember racist people that offended black people; as bigots from a worse time.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  "If all goes well"? Yeah... um... in the real world, what do you think the odds are of that?
zorga 8y ago
In a free society, it's always OK to offend; offense is not given, it's taken. The offended person chooses to be offended, they are responsible for their own emotions. > By that logic plenty of people are justified in offending gays, transgender, immigrants, etc. Being offensive doesn't require justification, it's always OK; that's what free speech means. If you are not free to offend, you quite simply are not free. Gays, transgenders, and immigrants, and all other people might need to remind themselves the simple things children learn, words are not violence and can simply be ignored. If you're not mature enough to ignore a loudmouth trying to offend you, you are the one with the problem; you are not mature. As they say, prepare the child for the road, not the road for the child.
- manfredo 8y ago
  The point of the comment isn't that said offense should be banned. It's pointing out the irony in that the above commenter's pride in offending those he or she doesn't want to see in society is the same motivation as many people said commenter probably despises.
  - mattigames 8y ago
    They can claim is the same motivation, but my mockery is based on reason, like when I mock anti-vaxers telling them their child will die because his mum trusted his facebook friends a bit too much instead of doctors, or when I mock the catholic church because a pedophile scandal on any other organization would make the organization dissappear.
    - manfredo 8y ago
      Yes, and no doubt homophobes, islamophobes, etc. see the reason in their mockery with the same conviction as you see in yours. Just as you mock churches for pedophile scandals, they mock pro immigration for mass sexual assaults[1]. It seems like your rationale boils down to saying, "it's okay when I do it because I'm right", while failing to see that plenty of other people with conflicting views see themselves in the right. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year's_E...
      - mattigames 8y ago
        Oh no doubt they have even more conviction than me, the thing is that conviction doesn't win arguments, what separate us from animals is reason, mockery is just a medium, a channel of communication, more consumable that long essays or books about why-they-are-wrong or whatever you believe to be the alternative to such mockery.
        manfredo 8y ago
        I would be cautious in assuming that mockery is an effective means of communication, at least if your goal is to influence people to adopt your point of view. In my experience, the result is that the subject of mockery becomes even more entrenched in their views and many of those that agree with the one carrying out the mockery become alienated and distance themselves. While mockery certainly garners attention, it's largely a self destructive endeavor.

mattigames 8y ago

Yes they are free to offend, and if all goes well we shall remember them the same way we remember racist people that offended black people; as bigots from a worse time.

AnimalMuppet 8y ago
"If all goes well"? Yeah... um... in the real world, what do you think the odds are of that?

zorga 8y ago

In a free society, it's always OK to offend; offense is not given, it's taken. The offended person chooses to be offended, they are responsible for their own emotions. > By that logic plenty of people are justified in offending gays, transgender, immigrants, etc. Being offensive doesn't require justification, it's always OK; that's what free speech means. If you are not free to offend, you quite simply are not free. Gays, transgenders, and immigrants, and all other people might need to remind themselves the simple things children learn, words are not violence and can simply be ignored. If you're not mature enough to ignore a loudmouth trying to offend you, you are the one with the problem; you are not mature. As they say, prepare the child for the road, not the road for the child.

manfredo 8y ago
The point of the comment isn't that said offense should be banned. It's pointing out the irony in that the above commenter's pride in offending those he or she doesn't want to see in society is the same motivation as many people said commenter probably despises.
- mattigames 8y ago
  They can claim is the same motivation, but my mockery is based on reason, like when I mock anti-vaxers telling them their child will die because his mum trusted his facebook friends a bit too much instead of doctors, or when I mock the catholic church because a pedophile scandal on any other organization would make the organization dissappear.
  - manfredo 8y ago
    Yes, and no doubt homophobes, islamophobes, etc. see the reason in their mockery with the same conviction as you see in yours. Just as you mock churches for pedophile scandals, they mock pro immigration for mass sexual assaults[1]. It seems like your rationale boils down to saying, "it's okay when I do it because I'm right", while failing to see that plenty of other people with conflicting views see themselves in the right. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year's_E...
    - mattigames 8y ago
      Oh no doubt they have even more conviction than me, the thing is that conviction doesn't win arguments, what separate us from animals is reason, mockery is just a medium, a channel of communication, more consumable that long essays or books about why-they-are-wrong or whatever you believe to be the alternative to such mockery.
      - manfredo 8y ago
        I would be cautious in assuming that mockery is an effective means of communication, at least if your goal is to influence people to adopt your point of view. In my experience, the result is that the subject of mockery becomes even more entrenched in their views and many of those that agree with the one carrying out the mockery become alienated and distance themselves. While mockery certainly garners attention, it's largely a self destructive endeavor.