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meat is carcinogenic. as for fruits and vegetables, i'm hoping that someday the local food production revolution will start picking up steam and help make thes

meat is carcinogenic. as for fruits and vegetables, i'm hoping that someday the local food production revolution will start picking up steam and help make these more cost effective, perhaps with some automation or vertical farming. for now, focus on things you can get for less than 1$/lb like bananas, apples, bell peppers, onions, cauliflower/broccoli (when it's on sale). Cabbage 50c/lb even here in CA.

matchbok 8y ago
meat is not carcinogenic
- beart 8y ago
  Perhaps OP was referring to bacon?
  - PenguinCoder 8y ago
    In that case, I would be better stated that nitrates are carcinogens not bacon itself.
    - cmclaughlin 8y ago
      And nitrates are likely only carcinogenic if cooked at very high heat, i.e don’t burn your bacon and best not to eat cured too often anyway. Source: On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee
  - xkcd-sucks 8y ago
    in which case the source of nitrates is plant or mineral. oh the irony
- m_mueller 8y ago
  I think OP is referring to carcinogenic effects linked to red meat - in some ways it‘s healthier because its iron is the easiest to absorb, in some ways it‘s not by giving you 20% or so higher risk of intestinal cancer if you consume more than a certain amount - don’t remember the details. My stance is, duh, everything at the right dose (like 30-50g per day on average would be my bet for red meat and red fish). Plenty of animal protein sources are AFAIK not linked to adverse effects as long as you‘re not overstressing your kidneys, i.e. eggs, white meat/fish, cheese.
  - beering 8y ago
    There's also some evidence that high levels of iron are linked to intestinal cancer.[0] So maybe the meat is just a proxy of iron. My takeaway is that the links between X food and Y disease are still largely a mystery. The correlation may be there, but the cause is not understood. [0] http://nautil.us/issue/67/reboot/iron-is-the-new-cholesterol http://nautil.us/issue/67/reboot/iron-is-the-new-cholesterol
- rosser 8y ago
  There is some evidence suggesting an association between red meat consumption and colorectal cancers. I don't think the link is well-enough understood to suggest it's a causal one, but I also don't think it's any longer supported to flatly dismiss any possible links out of hand like that.
koolba 8y ago
Toasted whole grain bread from organic grains grown, milled and baked in your local community is also carcinogenic.

matchbok 8y ago

meat is not carcinogenic

beart 8y ago
Perhaps OP was referring to bacon?
- PenguinCoder 8y ago
  In that case, I would be better stated that nitrates are carcinogens not bacon itself.
  - cmclaughlin 8y ago
    And nitrates are likely only carcinogenic if cooked at very high heat, i.e don’t burn your bacon and best not to eat cured too often anyway. Source: On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee
- xkcd-sucks 8y ago
  in which case the source of nitrates is plant or mineral. oh the irony
m_mueller 8y ago
I think OP is referring to carcinogenic effects linked to red meat - in some ways it‘s healthier because its iron is the easiest to absorb, in some ways it‘s not by giving you 20% or so higher risk of intestinal cancer if you consume more than a certain amount - don’t remember the details. My stance is, duh, everything at the right dose (like 30-50g per day on average would be my bet for red meat and red fish). Plenty of animal protein sources are AFAIK not linked to adverse effects as long as you‘re not overstressing your kidneys, i.e. eggs, white meat/fish, cheese.
- beering 8y ago
  There's also some evidence that high levels of iron are linked to intestinal cancer.[0] So maybe the meat is just a proxy of iron. My takeaway is that the links between X food and Y disease are still largely a mystery. The correlation may be there, but the cause is not understood. [0] http://nautil.us/issue/67/reboot/iron-is-the-new-cholesterol http://nautil.us/issue/67/reboot/iron-is-the-new-cholesterol
rosser 8y ago
There is some evidence suggesting an association between red meat consumption and colorectal cancers. I don't think the link is well-enough understood to suggest it's a causal one, but I also don't think it's any longer supported to flatly dismiss any possible links out of hand like that.

koolba 8y ago

Toasted whole grain bread from organic grains grown, milled and baked in your local community is also carcinogenic.