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Try to live, really, not for short touristic period, in Japan with their education, way of work and live. It's a developed country so you have all food you want

by xte 8y ago

Try to live, really, not for short touristic period, in Japan with their education, way of work and live. It's a developed country so you have all food you want, all services you want, but you also have a neurotic, stressogen, society in witch people live to work, not the contrary.

crooked-v 8y ago
I don't understand how Japanese work culture is supposed to be a result of their city designs.
- xte 8y ago
  It's a result of Japan environment (not only natural), they are too much and too concentrated as a result they can't live relaxed, they can only stress themselves. Few that born or arrive to a "comfort position" tend to exceed in any behavior, others whip themselves to the extreme. That's why we read about people who die working too much, who close themselves in their room for months or years, they use big load of antidepressants, even more than the USA/UK (that are the top consumers of the western world) etc. We develop any kind of things in response to our environment and we develop our society accordingly; that's why in cold countries we tend to have good welfare, reproduce less, are less violent than hot climate countries because cooperation is needed to survive, low density is needed because of low foods etc that's why in hot climate countries we tend to being far less cooperative, more violent and reproduce far more. That's also why in cold countries people tend to value space more than in hot one, that's why in some countries people dream an attic on top of a giant skyscraper in the city center and in others people dream a personal home immerse in the nature. And generally those countries evolve themselves accordingly.
  - scarejunba 8y ago
    Not convincing. The inner boroughs of London are as dense as Tokyo and a dream to live in. Your hypotheses have not faced adequate tests of falsification yet.
    - pokemongoaway 8y ago
      Have a reference for this? They're a "dream to live in" because they're not nearly as densely populated, especially at night. Who could just move to Greenwich London, for example? Taking this inner borough as an example, it is very green with huge parks - which makes it more relaxed and less densely populated. As an aside, the censorship and flagging on HN is still ruthless and ridiculous. And the admins need to start reversing shadow bans (like mine) that they cannot defend.
    - xte 8y ago
      I was for a very short period of time in London and I do not see anything can be dreamed, starting for super-poor quality of ANY buildings... Mean quality I see resemble eastern-Europe ex-communist buildings of the poorer quality, just covered with moquette to hide the disaster... Without speaking, of course, about pollution, traffic, noise etc. Perhaps for someone who have always live in a big town the level of service and public transport can appear really good, but if you ever live in riviera...
      - scarejunba 8y ago
        Hmm, how interesting. It looks like you mostly encountered social housing. Where did you stay and go?
        xte 8y ago
        Islington (live) to Fitzrovia (work), I see wood slabs covered with lean cement and moquette, buildings with only reinforced concrete directly painted or naked instead of proper well-finished plaster, panels and furnishings used as a quick way to cover unfinished/dirty things, moquette everywhere obviously dirty and crumpled... And no, they aren't social houses. Of course MANY countries, highly developed included, have poor buildings quality and poor cleanliness in general, France where I live now is one of these for my Italian eyes, Sweden is worse than France etc but worse than London/Newbury/Carlisle (parts of UK a have visited a little bit more than a touristic trip) mean building I only see few Easter European buildings... Oh, I do not like Paris or Berlin anything more eh! They are not a place to live IMO, however they have a less medium bad quality.
  - crooked-v 8y ago
    > too concentrated Paris has a higher population density than Tokyo, and that's with about half of the city's area taken by parkland.

by xte 8y ago

crooked-v 8y ago

I don't understand how Japanese work culture is supposed to be a result of their city designs.

xte 8y ago
It's a result of Japan environment (not only natural), they are too much and too concentrated as a result they can't live relaxed, they can only stress themselves. Few that born or arrive to a "comfort position" tend to exceed in any behavior, others whip themselves to the extreme. That's why we read about people who die working too much, who close themselves in their room for months or years, they use big load of antidepressants, even more than the USA/UK (that are the top consumers of the western world) etc. We develop any kind of things in response to our environment and we develop our society accordingly; that's why in cold countries we tend to have good welfare, reproduce less, are less violent than hot climate countries because cooperation is needed to survive, low density is needed because of low foods etc that's why in hot climate countries we tend to being far less cooperative, more violent and reproduce far more. That's also why in cold countries people tend to value space more than in hot one, that's why in some countries people dream an attic on top of a giant skyscraper in the city center and in others people dream a personal home immerse in the nature. And generally those countries evolve themselves accordingly.
- scarejunba 8y ago
  Not convincing. The inner boroughs of London are as dense as Tokyo and a dream to live in. Your hypotheses have not faced adequate tests of falsification yet.
  - pokemongoaway 8y ago
    Have a reference for this? They're a "dream to live in" because they're not nearly as densely populated, especially at night. Who could just move to Greenwich London, for example? Taking this inner borough as an example, it is very green with huge parks - which makes it more relaxed and less densely populated. As an aside, the censorship and flagging on HN is still ruthless and ridiculous. And the admins need to start reversing shadow bans (like mine) that they cannot defend.
  - xte 8y ago
    I was for a very short period of time in London and I do not see anything can be dreamed, starting for super-poor quality of ANY buildings... Mean quality I see resemble eastern-Europe ex-communist buildings of the poorer quality, just covered with moquette to hide the disaster... Without speaking, of course, about pollution, traffic, noise etc. Perhaps for someone who have always live in a big town the level of service and public transport can appear really good, but if you ever live in riviera...
    - scarejunba 8y ago
      Hmm, how interesting. It looks like you mostly encountered social housing. Where did you stay and go?
      - xte 8y ago
        Islington (live) to Fitzrovia (work), I see wood slabs covered with lean cement and moquette, buildings with only reinforced concrete directly painted or naked instead of proper well-finished plaster, panels and furnishings used as a quick way to cover unfinished/dirty things, moquette everywhere obviously dirty and crumpled... And no, they aren't social houses. Of course MANY countries, highly developed included, have poor buildings quality and poor cleanliness in general, France where I live now is one of these for my Italian eyes, Sweden is worse than France etc but worse than London/Newbury/Carlisle (parts of UK a have visited a little bit more than a touristic trip) mean building I only see few Easter European buildings... Oh, I do not like Paris or Berlin anything more eh! They are not a place to live IMO, however they have a less medium bad quality.
- crooked-v 8y ago
  > too concentrated Paris has a higher population density than Tokyo, and that's with about half of the city's area taken by parkland.