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A different question: can we build a manageable city for modern era? I think not. More in details we have already accepted that our constructions (roads, bridg

by xte 8y ago

A different question: can we build a manageable city for modern era? I think not. More in details we have already accepted that our constructions (roads, bridges etc included) do not last forever even with proper maintenance but I still have to see plans about how to rebuild buildings and infrastructure when they'll reach their EOL... Even without counting that we already seen that we can't predict the future enough to build today something that can remain good, comfortable and useful after 50/100+ years, for instance in "ancient" area (+50 years only) we do not foresee today's need for parking, in today are many now try to imaging a future with drone and perhaps flying cars and we have nearly no idea on how to design today something that can work also for that future scenario. The only think we know is that if we have abundant resources, space included, we can evolve with difficulties, stress etc but we can, in dense area or without much resources is practically impossible. That's why many not-much-developed countries in eastern Europe have better broadband than far more developed one, that's why the USA struggle to build hi-speed rails etc. Many say that "riviera model" does not work, while I still to see definitive proofs, but I do not see ANY real working alternatives. Developed Asia scenarios like SK/metropolitan Japan are essentially nightmare if you have to live in, not just visit as tourist.

lozenge 8y ago
Japan's a nightmare to live in and spacing things out is the only way to plan for the future? Sounds like you are judging by your own very blinkered standards of what makes a city liveable.
- xte 8y ago
  Try to live, really, not for short touristic period, in Japan with their education, way of work and live. It's a developed country so you have all food you want, all services you want, but you also have a neurotic, stressogen, society in witch people live to work, not the contrary.
  - crooked-v 8y ago
    I don't understand how Japanese work culture is supposed to be a result of their city designs.
    - xte 8y ago
      It's a result of Japan environment (not only natural), they are too much and too concentrated as a result they can't live relaxed, they can only stress themselves. Few that born or arrive to a "comfort position" tend to exceed in any behavior, others whip themselves to the extreme. That's why we read about people who die working too much, who close themselves in their room for months or years, they use big load of antidepressants, even more than the USA/UK (that are the top consumers of the western world) etc. We develop any kind of things in response to our environment and we develop our society accordingly; that's why in cold countries we tend to have good welfare, reproduce less, are less violent than hot climate countries because cooperation is needed to survive, low density is needed because of low foods etc that's why in hot climate countries we tend to being far less cooperative, more violent and reproduce far more. That's also why in cold countries people tend to value space more than in hot one, that's why in some countries people dream an attic on top of a giant skyscraper in the city center and in others people dream a personal home immerse in the nature. And generally those countries evolve themselves accordingly.
      - scarejunba 8y ago
        Not convincing. The inner boroughs of London are as dense as Tokyo and a dream to live in. Your hypotheses have not faced adequate tests of falsification yet.
        pokemongoaway 8y ago
        Have a reference for this? They're a "dream to live in" because they're not nearly as densely populated, especially at night. Who could just move to Greenwich London, for example? Taking this inner borough as an example, it is very green with huge parks - which makes it more relaxed and less densely populated. As an aside, the censorship and flagging on HN is still ruthless and ridiculous. And the admins need to start reversing shadow bans (like mine) that they cannot defend.

by xte 8y ago

lozenge 8y ago

Japan's a nightmare to live in and spacing things out is the only way to plan for the future? Sounds like you are judging by your own very blinkered standards of what makes a city liveable.

xte 8y ago
Try to live, really, not for short touristic period, in Japan with their education, way of work and live. It's a developed country so you have all food you want, all services you want, but you also have a neurotic, stressogen, society in witch people live to work, not the contrary.
- crooked-v 8y ago
  I don't understand how Japanese work culture is supposed to be a result of their city designs.
  - xte 8y ago
    It's a result of Japan environment (not only natural), they are too much and too concentrated as a result they can't live relaxed, they can only stress themselves. Few that born or arrive to a "comfort position" tend to exceed in any behavior, others whip themselves to the extreme. That's why we read about people who die working too much, who close themselves in their room for months or years, they use big load of antidepressants, even more than the USA/UK (that are the top consumers of the western world) etc. We develop any kind of things in response to our environment and we develop our society accordingly; that's why in cold countries we tend to have good welfare, reproduce less, are less violent than hot climate countries because cooperation is needed to survive, low density is needed because of low foods etc that's why in hot climate countries we tend to being far less cooperative, more violent and reproduce far more. That's also why in cold countries people tend to value space more than in hot one, that's why in some countries people dream an attic on top of a giant skyscraper in the city center and in others people dream a personal home immerse in the nature. And generally those countries evolve themselves accordingly.
    - scarejunba 8y ago
      Not convincing. The inner boroughs of London are as dense as Tokyo and a dream to live in. Your hypotheses have not faced adequate tests of falsification yet.
      - pokemongoaway 8y ago
        Have a reference for this? They're a "dream to live in" because they're not nearly as densely populated, especially at night. Who could just move to Greenwich London, for example? Taking this inner borough as an example, it is very green with huge parks - which makes it more relaxed and less densely populated. As an aside, the censorship and flagging on HN is still ruthless and ridiculous. And the admins need to start reversing shadow bans (like mine) that they cannot defend.